[ragnese]

That's a fair point. You don't have to write Java with giant graphs of objects-in-objects-in-objects and heavy mixing of (often mutable) data and logic in the same classes, but it's hard to deny that the culture, conventions, and idioms in the Java ecosystem can be quite different from the culture, conventions, and idioms in Kotlin.

On the other hand, when I see Kotlin code that's not written by JetBrains (especially on the backend), it often does just look like Java code with cleaner syntax...