[throw123xz]

> an end product that isn't even reliable let alone having a long life

What's unreliable on a modern EV? And what do you mean by "long life", because you now have 10-15 year old EVs that are fine.

Obviously some cars aged poorly, like some Tesla which had poor build quality (not an EV problem, but a company problem) or cars like the Nissan Leaf that didn't have battery cooling for years, but what's exactly unreliable on a modern Polestar or a Hyundai?

[wg0]

You don't need to ask me, check what happened with car rental companies and EVs.

It's all pretty evident.

[throw123xz]

If you're referring to what happen to companies like Hertz, then according to them the problem wasn't reliability.

The cars had more accidents, probably because some were not used to the speed or would get an EV just to test the speed. Why buy Tesla in that case then, when their repairs are known to be super expensive and slow? Then you had people who are not used to EVs and charging trying to use EVs and the companies themselves didn't build the charging infrastructure so customers left with a full battery, but that has nothing to do with reliability. Vehicle depreciation? Again, a Tesla problem because they sold them the cars at a high price before dropping prices (the covid years were very weird).

So again, what makes EVs unreliable? It's a simple question.

[fruitworks]

I think a problem with EVs is that we don't have a depreciation model for the batteries in the same way that we do for the car itself (based on mileage).

In an ideal world you could instantly get your battery replaced with a full one at a recharging station and settle the difference in depreciation.

The EV ownership model only works right now if you charge it yourself and use it to drive around your own town

[kccqzy]

Car rental companies hated EVs because of the large depreciation. That's a sign that the technology is progressing quickly.