[captainmuon]

> The reason you are using C++ in the first place is because you care about details like allocation, so to me this is a gigantic fumble.

I wouldn't say that applies to everybody. I use C++ because it interfaces with the system libraries on every platform, because it has class-based inheritance (like Java and C#, unlike Rust and Zig) and because it compiles to native code without an external runtime. I don't care to much about allocations.

For me the biggest fumble is that C++ provides the async framework, but no actual async stdlib (file io and networking). It took a while for options to be available, and while eg Asio works nicely it is crazily over engineered in places.

[pjmlp]

I like what Rust offers over C++ in terms of safety and community culture, but I don't enjoy being a tool builder for ecosystem gaps, I rather spend the time directly using the tools that already exist, plus I have Java and .NET ecosystems for safety, as I am really on the automatic resource management side.

Zig, is really Modula-2 in C's cloathing, I don't like the kind of handmade culture that has around it, and its way of dealing with use after free I can also get in C and C++, for the last thirty years, it is a matter of actually learning the tooling.

Thus C++ it is, for anything that isn't can't be taken over by a compiled managed language.

I would like to use D more, but it seems to have lost its opportunity window, although NASA is now using it, so who knows.