[Cartoxy]

This seam like a hopeless endeavor. If circumvention takes little to no effort the people that are already committed to CSAM are going to CSAM. And everyone else will just hate the burdensome bloat, etc.

If you know your not a theif having your bags checked after paying is an annoyance

[9rx]

> people that are already committed to CSAM are going to CSAM.

Does its prevention even help anyway? The adult porn industry is regularly criticized for seeing people choose it over real sexual relationships. Conceivably the same could hold true for CSAM. As in, if you can't access it, you're going to go get the real thing instead.

The narrative that it prevents child abuse sounds good in theory, but what does the data actually tell us?

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

Even if it were true (and it might be) that these people would commit less-or-none abuse if they can continue to have access to the csam, the existence of the csam itself necessitates abuse. It seems akin to child sacrifice. Whose kid must be tormented so that other kids can go unmolested?

That said, not sure that draconian, ubiquitous surveillance is the correct (or even effective) solution to the problem.

[Cartoxy]

I think that actually access does beget creep and indulge.

Not always but often. You think the amount of Pea Dough would go up with abolition. Doubts from me.

[10298373]

The data tells us that many child abusers are caught with CSAM as well, so it does jack shit to keep them from abusing kids,

Take your CSAM apologia somewhere else.

[gjsman-1000]

> what does the data actually tell us?

The anecdotal evidence is that most child abusers started with CSAM and continued escalation from there; not that they would have been abusers except for CSAM.

While it has never been proven to be a casual link, Ted Bundy, Brian Mitchell, Mark Bridger, Jeffrey Dahmer, and now Bryan Kohberger all accessed violent pornography before taking their actions. Dahmer stated it was his ritual - consume violent pornography before finding the next victim. Bundy meanwhile stated it was the tipping point for him psychologically, more than any other known factor, even describing it as his "fuel."

[JimDabell]

> If circumvention takes little to no effort the people that are already committed to CSAM are going to CSAM.

Meta made 1.8M CSAM reports to authorities in 2024 Q4 alone. An awful lot of these people aren’t taking any steps at all to avoid detection – they are posting it to social media.

You can argue the ethics of this scanning all you want, but if you’re arguing that it won’t be effective then you’re wrong.

[potato3732842]

You're acting like those 1.8m reports are actually legit. I'd wager it's 99% baby pictures, gore, normal porn and dank memes, in that order and that the other 1% was parties a) already on the radar of law enforcement b) hacked accounts being utilized for that purpose by parties unknown.

If it were of real value they'd be touting arrests, not reports.

[nickslaughter02]

Have 1.8 million people been arrested? If not it's clear the detection got it wrong.

[philipallstar]

Having your shoes checked before a flight is also an annoyance!

[Cartoxy]

Well. It is if you don't have a bomb isn't it? You trade it for your safety but since you don't die in a firey crash if the person 3 streets over is CSAMing its kinda unfair comparison