[azmodeus]

Vote them out and never vote for their parties in your general elections

If your Member of European Parliament supports chat control stop voting for their parties and politically support their opposition

[kurthr]

Vote for an opposition which promises mass deportations? Certainly, they will never go back on their word to create a surveillance state?!? Asking your politicians to lie to you is not a substitute for changing their incentives.

The key point to make is that once you're spying on your own people, you've created the single weakest point of entry for your geopolitical opponents spying on you and manipulating the population as well. It's such a dumb political move, it seems like it could only come from extreme fear, greed, or manipulation. Switch it around and make them afraid of the alternative.

[Levitz]

>Vote for an opposition which promises mass deportations? Certainly, they will never go back on their word to create a surveillance state?!?

Not quite a fan of deportations, but I'd rather risk people going back on their word than the alternative here.

I wholeheartedly refuse to vote for anyone who publicly supports this. It is integral to democracy itself. If my only alternative is "The party of kicking kittens and opposing chatcontrol" I will 100% support them.

[gotoeleven]

The surveillance state in europe is being created to make it illegal to oppose mass immigration policies, because apparently the powers that be have realized that not enough people like mass immigration so it needs to be forced down everyone's throat with a combination of censorship, surveillance and party-banning. From your comment, it seems like you support mass immigration policies but also do not support censorship and surveillance (maybe only for practical reasons because it might eventually be used against things you like?). The question for you is: what if you couldn't choose? What if you could only have both or neither? Because that's whats on offer.

[okucu]

Can only speak for Germany and the mass deportations here are done by liberals. They also let 40k+ people drown in the Mediterranean, support literally every single war, support multiple genocides and export weapons to all dictatorships known to man. At this point I'm not sure the actual Nazis would be worse than liberals.

Also very weird how whenever "liberals/centrists" are in power the (ultra) right gain lots of momentum. Must be the weather

Almost forgot: we're also in our third year of recession and the only investments are made in the military industry to prep for starting the next world war

[raxxorraxor]

Every member (aside 2 crazy people I believe) of the European Parliament voted for age verification and more user surveillance. It isn't salvageable.

Maybe it is a result of sending the biggest idiots off to the EU when they failed in national politics, but the problem remains.

[wqaatwt]

Problem is that very few “normal” people are even aware of this. Very few people particularly interested about most policies on the EU level. So they pretty much have free reign to do anything with minimal repercussions.

For better or for worse the EU itself is about as much of a democracy as some of the European empires were back in the in early 1900s with their sham parliaments which had very little real power.

[progbits]

Not good enough. They can get in again next election.

[t0bia_s]

You still belive that vote solve anything? Divide and conquer is strong indeed. We should focus to abandoning giving our responsibility to unknown electorate.

[vaylian]

I agree. But also: I've been doing that for a long time already. The problem is that these surveillance laws don't get enough attention by the general public until they come into effect. For example: The UK's online safety act.

[izacus]

So make general public aware of them. Campaign. Inform. That's how democracies work. Don't expect others do to the legwork for your pet case.