[Paul_S]

Are you telling me a country is more constrained by space than a spaceship?

As for democracy "These sorts of societies propagated for hundreds or even thousands of years in antiquity just fine" - I don't know of any that practised the consensus driven democracy that almost all these proposals use. Ant if you're reaching into antiquity then not even normal democracies. Unless you're talking about a Athens with their slaves and adult male citizen population having a vote. In which case sure, I can get behind that but that's not what those spaceship designs propose. They all assume all decisions will be unanimous and no one will ever break the law.

In actual fact history proves the opposite and all exploration and conquest is driven by strict hierarchical organisations and the idea that you can fly a spaceship across light years without a captain who can condemn people to death is laughable.

[JumpCrisscross]

> a country is more constrained by space than a spaceship?

At the point that we're building 60 km spaceships, yes, I think that's a possibility.

> you're reaching into antiquity then not even normal democracies

The further back we go the more consensus-driven small societies get. I'm also reaching back due to familiarity. There are plenty of small island communities that did fine for generations on their own.

> They all assume all decisions will be unanimous and no one will ever break the law

Sorry, I missed this in the winning design. Where does it say that?

> all exploration and conquest is driven by strict hierarchical organisations

If you need to bring an army, yes. I don't think we know how hierarchical Polynesian settlers were.

[9cb14c1ec0]

> Sorry, I missed this in the winning design. Where does it say that?

I didn't notice any prisons included in the design, so that assumption seems fair.

[m4rtink]

I guess Vatican could be ?