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seuros | 6 months ago
Yes, I had backups everywhere. Across providers, in different countries. But I built a system tied to my AWS account number, my instances, my IDs, my workflows.
When that account went down, all those “other” backups were just dead noise encrypted forever. Bringing them up to the story only invites the 'just use your other backups' fallback, and ignores the real fragility of centralized dependencies.
It is like this: the UK still maintains BBC Radio 4’s Analogue Emergency Broadcast—a signal so vital that if it’s cut, UK nuclear submarines and missile silos automatically trigger retaliation. No questions asked. That's how much stakes they place on a reliable signal.
If your primary analogue link fails, the world ends. That's precisely how I felt when AWS pulled my account, because I’d tied my critical system to a single point of failure. If the account was just Read only, i will waited because i could have access to my data and rotated keys.
AWS is the apex cloud provider on the planet. This isnt about redundancy or best practices.
it's about how much trust and infrastructure we willingly lend to one system.
Remember that if BBC Radio 4 signal get to fail for some reasons, the world will get nuked, only cockroaches will survive… and your RDS and EC2 billing fees.
CRConrad|6 months ago
How and why? Are you saying you had encrypted backups on other providers, but... Didn't keep the encryption keys to those backups somewhere handy and unencrypted? Why not? Can you even call that “backups”?
BTW, this is the first time in all this saga I've seen you mention other providers. Smells fishy.
cnst|6 months ago
Sorry, but it is absolutely and undeniably not!
I don't think it's accurate to portray AWS as the underlying infrastructure of the internet on the planet at all.
Speaking of the "planet", here's a sample statistics for .ru ccTLD on web hosting usage across the 1 million domain names in the zone — one of the top-10 ccTLD zones on the planet:
https://statonline.ru/metrics/hosting_shared?month=2021-12&t...
https://archive.ph/7aYVD
Amazon is dead last #30 with 0.46% of the market; the data is for December 2021, so, it's before any payment issues that would only originate in March 2022, and which would take weeks/months/years to propagate.
Hetzner is far more popular, at 4.11%, also, OVH is bigger than Amazon, too, at 1.38%, and even Wix had 2.16%. Even Google managed to get 1.15%, probably because of their Google Sites service. Most of the rest of the providers are local — that's how it should be if digital sovereignty is of the essence. The real reason for the local providers, however, is most likely affordability, reliability, price, better service and far better support, and not the digital sovereignty considerations at all. This is exactly why Hetzner is at the top, because the market is obviously price-sensitive if the unlimited venture capital was never available for the local startups, and Hetzner and OVH provide the best value for money, whereas AWS, does not.
The earliest data this service currently has, is for March 2020, and there, Amazon didn't even make it in the top-30 at all!
https://statonline.ru/metrics/hosting_shared?month=2020-03&t...
https://archive.ph/ciD1X
They have a separate tab for VPS and Dedicated, which covers about 0.1 million domain names compared to 1 million in the prior view, and, there, Hetzner, Digital Ocean and OVH, are, likewise, ahead of Amazon, too, with Hetzner being #2, having over 10%, compared to Amazon's 2%, with Amazon thus far behind:
https://statonline.ru/metrics/hosting_vps_dedic?tld=ru&month...
https://archive.ph/9SPs7
Numbers for 2025 don't look as good for any foreign provider, likely due to a combination of factors, including much stronger data sovereignty laws that may preclude most startups from being able to use foreign services like Hetzner, but Hetzner is still the most popular foreign option in both categories, still having more market share in 2025 than AWS did in 2021, and even DigitalOcean is still more popular than AWS, too.
BTW, I've tried looking up the BBC Radio 4 apocalypse claims, and I'm glad to find out that this information is false.
I'm glad you got your account restored, and I thank you for bringing the much needed attention to these verification issues, but I don't think you're making the correct conclusions here. Not your keys, not your coins. Evidently, this applies to backups, too.
andrewaylett|6 months ago