[CityOfThrowaway]

I have a feeling this person is using far-from-frontier models, totally disconnected from the development environment.

Using, like, gpt-4o is extremely not useful for programming. But using Claude Code in your actual repo is insanely useful.

Gotta use the right tool + model.

[tyfighter]

How is anyone just supposed to know that? It's not hard to find vim, but no one says, "You need to be running this extra special vim development branch where people are pushing vim to the limits!" Yes, it's fragmented, and changing fast, but it's not reasonable to expect people just wanting a tool to be following the cutting edge.

[CityOfThrowaway]

I agree that it might not be reasonable to expect people to keep up with the latest.

For this specific thing (LLM-assisted coding), we are still in nerd territory where there are tremendous gains to be had from keeping up and tinkering.

There's a lot of billions dollars being invested to give devs who don't want to do this the right tools. We aren't quite there yet, largely because the frontier is moving so fast.

I made my original comment because it was so far from my experience, and I assumed it was because I am using a totally different set of tools.

If somebody really doesn't want to be left behind, the solution is to do the unreasonable: read hacker news everyday and tinker.

Personally, I enjoy that labor. But it's certainly not for everybody.

[dbalatero]

I agree with your comment, but I also chuckled a bit, because Neovim _is_ a fast changing ecosystem with plugins coming out to replace previous plugins all the time, and tons of config tweakers pushing things to the limit. That said… one does not have to replace their working Neovim setup just because new stuff came out. (And of course, minimalist vim users don't use any plugins!)

[astrange]

That's what people always seemed to say about emacs, that you haven't used it unless you've learned 300 incredibly complicated key bindings and have replaced half the program with a mail reader.

[solarkraft]

> Using, like, gpt-4o is extremely not useful for programming

I disagree! It can produce great results for well defined tasks. And I love the “I like this idea, now implement it in VSCode” flow ChatGPT desktop provides on macOS.