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mkayokay | 6 months ago

A new semi-passive 850-watt fully modular PSU is around EUR 130, the Noctua fan around EUR 30.

I guess if you know electronics and how to safely handle the PSU internals, the risk of injury is low, but I personally would not risk it for EUR 100.

Also, if the only problem was the noisy fan, I guess selling it used would have returned most of the investment, leaving him with like EUR 50 in added cost. Compared to the price of a modern gaming PC, that's nothing (also avoiding not risking your life).

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tcdent|6 months ago

I will put hundreds of dollars in Noctua fans into a second-hand chassis without thinking twice.

It's sometimes uneconomical from a cost-ratio perspective, but it is crucial to making datacenter-grade equipment actually useable at home.

aaronmdjones|6 months ago

I have a 12U 19 inch rack built into my computer desk, and I have a couple of NASes in it (2x HPC-8316SA-55RB1). The 40mm fans in the included CRPS PSUs are loud, whiny, and rattly, all at the same time.

I replaced all 4 of them with Noctua NF-A4x20s, wired to run at full speed all the time. They still report their speed so the IPMI management interface doesn't consider the power supply fan to have failed, but the PSU can no longer control the fan's speed.

The PSUs don't run any hotter and I can't hear them now.

I have a used Eaton PW9130 UPS in the bottom of the rack. The 80mm (exhaust) and 60mm (inverter heatsink) fans were likewise louder than I'd like. I replaced them with Noctuas too, again wired to run at full speed all the time, and the UPS' Web/SNMP card confirms it's still no hotter than 30'C internally. I can't hear that now either.

Hilariously, the most critical fan, the original inverter heatsink fan, is a 2-pin fan, so it probably can't even detect when it has failed (unless it's detecting fan failure by monitoring current consumption). The original rear exhaust fan uses a locked rotor sensor rather than a tachometer, which required a bit of bodging to convince the UPS that it has not failed. Oh well.

ahartmetz|6 months ago

If you need pretty good fans for cheap as dirt, there is also Arctic Cooling.

jojobas|6 months ago

C grade high school physics understanding makes the risk exactly zero. Selling defective stuff without declaring is bad mojo, with declaring it just delegates the pain in the bum to someone else..

doubled112|6 months ago

I’ve been tearing things open after ignoring the “dangerous if opened” stickers since I was 8 years old. I’m in my 30s, you’d think something would have caused me harm by now, but no.

hobs|6 months ago

Hilarious to read this on "hacker news" - replacing a standard fan is too dangerous! This is not styropyro.

ycombinatrix|6 months ago

PSU capacitors can kill you, even after being disconnected from mains power.

victorhooi|6 months ago

I think perhaps you might have not read the entire article? =)

The danger isn't so much in the fan, but in that the fan is INSIDE OF A COMPUTER PSU. There are mains AC voltages (220V, or 110V) here, and even if unplugged (which is should be) there are also capacitors in there, which you should definitely be cautious of.

I've worked in DC (datacenters) before - and I've seen people accidentally drop screws into power supplies...and well, electrical arc, boom, you can guess the rest. And in a domestic situation, a 4" cooling fan (yes, I know, larger) stopped suddenly due to a motor issue, and send flying bits of plastic shrapnel around (always wear eye protection!).

This isn't quite like tinkering with your little Arduino board, or Raspberry Pi.

If you did read the article =(.... I think that's a bit arrogant and disingenuous to make fun of people saying you should be cautious around things that are connected to AC mains, or that involve capacitors.