[bevhill]

Let's think about this. You say that Texas and Florida are "donors" in the same way as California is. But what do those states do? Take Texas. Its main industry by far is oil and gas -- an extractive and polluting industry, and one that causes pollution far and wide wherever the products are used. Any money that Texas has is paid for by current and future suffering, by causing the very climate change they say doesn't happen.

Florida is a tourist state. Everyone loves Disney and the beach, but any money from tourism is just brought in from somewhere else. Florida's tourism industry is also extractive, and tourist travel also causes untold climate damage.

But California? We have agriculture. We have software. We have logistics -- everything in your house probably came through Long Beach and on our highways. We even have our own Disney so we don't have to fly to yours. California's industries aren't extractive. They're productive. And we're careful to minimize or eliminate the externalities of our industries while we work to create the things you use every day. In many ways, California is America. Without us, the country would shrink and shrivel day by day until you've extracted all the good and left everyone else nothing.

[giantg2]

"We have logistics -- everything in your house probably came through Long Beach and on our highways."

So high carbon as well. Texas, and Flordia especially also have ag. CA has a lot of tourism too. Claiming that CA is the only source of "good" is a bit over the top.