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ysavir | 6 months ago

What's your take on the article saying that D.C.'s crime rate is at a 30 year low? Do you feel that things in big cities are so bad that an overreach of powers is justified in an attempt to fix it?

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daft_pink|6 months ago

People in this thread are focusing on change in crime instead of the total rate of crime. The bottom line is that total crime in Washington DC is one of the highest among states and cities and is a clear outlier.

0manrho|6 months ago

It's 19th of 83 (just barely making it inside the top quarter percentile) large population centers in the US, with 5,223 per 100,000 (~0.052 Per Capita) people Reported Incidents of Crime (all types) if using the adjusted[0] crime rate. If you use the data unadjusted for differences in population reporting data, it drops to 30th of 100. Via: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... which is primarily sourced from FBI Crime Data Explorer https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/downloads

Also worthy of note is FBI's Caution Against (Crime) Ranking:

> Each year when Crime in the United States is published, many entities—news media, tourism agencies, and other groups with an interest in crime in our Nation—use reported figures to compile rankings of cities and counties. These rankings, however, are merely a quick choice made by the data user; they provide no insight into the many variables that mold the crime in a particular town, city, county, state, region, or other jurisdiction. Consequently, these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents.

Via: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

0: "For the 2019 population estimates used in this table, the FBI computed individual rates of growth from one year to the next for every city/town and county using 2010 decennial population counts and 2011 through 2018 population estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau. Each agency’s rates of growth were averaged; that average was then applied and added to its 2018 Census population estimate to derive the agency’s 2019 population estimate"

chaps|6 months ago

So you think it's justified?

Bender|6 months ago

What's your take on the article saying that D.C.'s crime rate is at a 30 year low?

I do not believe crime is accurately tracked [1]. Calling in the guard is not overreach when a city is demanding it through inaction.

[1] - https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander...

dttze|6 months ago

Supposedly. He was accused by the police union, who are known to lie for political reasons. Where is the evidence?

ysavir|6 months ago

Thanks for sharing the link, I hadn't seen that before! Very serious allegations there.

> Calling in the guard is not overreach when a city is demanding it through inaction.

Is the city calling for protection, though? There's a big difference between police departments fabricating data and a need for intervention, whether through taking control of the city police or bringing in the national guard. What's the actual situation? Why is the Trump administration militarizing the city instead of running statistics to get actual crime numbers?

lefstathiou|6 months ago

Is crime down because they are safer or because police have been told to stand down or see no point if the perp walks free an hour later?

Bottom line, I am skeptical. Cities all over have de-criminalized crime, which makes the statistics untrustworthy.

piva00|6 months ago

Your argument is unfalsifiable, you don't believe the data, you just have a feeling, it's impossible to falsify your feelings...