I think you're missing a middle ground, of people who want to let people know a thing they found or learned, and want to get credit for it.
Among other things, this motivation has been the basis for pretty much the entire scientific enterprise since it started:
> But that which will excite the greatest astonishment by far, and which indeed especially moved me to call the attention of all astronomers and philosophers, is this, namely, that I have discovered four planets, neither known nor observed by any one of the astronomers before my time, which have their orbits round a certain bright star, one of those previously known, like Venus and Mercury round the Sun, and are sometimes in front of it, sometimes behind it, though they never depart from it beyond certain limits. [0]
It's a very simple metric. They had nothing of value, no product, no marketable thing.
Then they scanned your site. They had to, along with others. And in scanning your site, they scanned the results of your work, effort, and cost.
Now they have a product.
I need to be clear here, if that site has no value, why do they want it?
Understand, these aren't private citizens. A private citizen might print out a recipe, who cares? They might even share that with friends. OK.
But if they take it, then package it, then make money? That is different.
In my country, copyright doesn't really punish a person. No one gets hit for copying movies even. It does punish someone, for example, copying and then reselling that work though.
This sort of thing should depend on who's doing it. Their motive.
When search engines were operating an index, nothing was lost. In fact, it was a mutually symbiotic relationship.
I guess what we should really ask, is why on Earth should anyone produce anything, if the end result is not one sees it?
And instead, they just read a summary from an AI?
No more website, no new data, means no new AI knowledge too.
It's absolutely fine for you to be fine with it. What is nonsense is how copyright laws have been so strict, and suddenly AI companies can just ignore everyone's wishes.
horsawlarway|6 months ago
It's copied.
If your goal in publishing the site is to drive eyeballs to it for ad revenue... then you probably care.
If your goal in publishing the site is just to let people know a thing you found or learned... that goal is still getting accomplished.
For me... I'm not in it for the fame or money, I'm fine with it.
allturtles|6 months ago
Among other things, this motivation has been the basis for pretty much the entire scientific enterprise since it started:
> But that which will excite the greatest astonishment by far, and which indeed especially moved me to call the attention of all astronomers and philosophers, is this, namely, that I have discovered four planets, neither known nor observed by any one of the astronomers before my time, which have their orbits round a certain bright star, one of those previously known, like Venus and Mercury round the Sun, and are sometimes in front of it, sometimes behind it, though they never depart from it beyond certain limits. [0]
[0]: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/46036/pg46036-images.ht...
b112|6 months ago
Then they scanned your site. They had to, along with others. And in scanning your site, they scanned the results of your work, effort, and cost.
Now they have a product.
I need to be clear here, if that site has no value, why do they want it?
Understand, these aren't private citizens. A private citizen might print out a recipe, who cares? They might even share that with friends. OK.
But if they take it, then package it, then make money? That is different.
In my country, copyright doesn't really punish a person. No one gets hit for copying movies even. It does punish someone, for example, copying and then reselling that work though.
This sort of thing should depend on who's doing it. Their motive.
When search engines were operating an index, nothing was lost. In fact, it was a mutually symbiotic relationship.
I guess what we should really ask, is why on Earth should anyone produce anything, if the end result is not one sees it?
And instead, they just read a summary from an AI?
No more website, no new data, means no new AI knowledge too.
lelanthran|6 months ago
I like how you posted so many times in this thread, with the assertion that that is the goal of people giving away stuff for free.
Your responses in this thread are almost textbook example of Strawman Argument; you could not do a better Strawman Argument even if you tried!
CJefferson|6 months ago