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agent327 | 6 months ago

That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s). Actual safety for regular citizens is affected by events that are occurring today (instead of decades ago), as the result of actions by individuals (rather than state-sanctioned violence). As such, the grandparent is 100% correct: letting violent people into your country will raise the overal level of violence that people encounter.

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mtalantikite|6 months ago

Violent crime by all measures are at generational lows. It's just the truth.

I was being hyperbolic because OP was being ridiculous too. To say "your country opened the doors to rapists and violent murderers" is a very specific right wing scare mongering talking point that is easily debunked by any semi-serious human that can read an x,y plot of the data.

Also, events that are occurring today indeed are interdependent with events of the past [1] -- the crimes of genocide and slavery affect all humans that descend from it [2], and those humans interact with all of us in the here and now. And we are all of course affected by events that are occurring today. Both are true.

It's not that hard to see when you open your mind and look a little deeply. Or in the words of a great sage, "free your mind and your ass will follow". [3]

[1] https://www.lionsroar.com/buddhism/interdependence/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_trauma

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zZfbkUkodY

agent327|6 months ago

Are there any human tribes around that haven't at one point or another experienced a negative event at the hands of others?

What should we all be given, and more importantly by whom, just to make up for the endless parade of historic injustices? Does dwelling on them for all eternity make for a good future?

hydrogen7800|6 months ago

>That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s)

Well yes, it is. It is intended to provide an evidence-based counter to your fabricated claim.

agent327|6 months ago

If you'll inspect the names of the posters, you will quickly realize that it was not _my_ claim. I'm also not quite certain how a list of centuries-old atrocities serves as an 'evidence-based counter' to the claim that illegal immigrants in modern America have a high crime rate. If that was indeed fabricated, it could be trivially disproved by posting a link to a current-day statistical database.

Instead he tried his best to make this about race. At best that is whataboutism, and at worst he's just a racist f*ck.