[iamdamian]

> Could anyone here waxing lyrically about Apple so called privacy stand explain to me what that actually is apart from a marketing point Apple keeps repeating?

The end-to-end encryption guarantees on this page seem pretty real to me and have little to do with marketing: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

[lern_too_spel]

Google backup on Android is also end-to-end encryption. The difference is that on Android, I can self-host anything that Apple won't end-to-end encrypt, like maps or application installs.

[snypher]

Can any of this be verified or confirmed independently?

[atomicthumbs]

how do you propose they prove that they don't have your encryption keys

[ritcgab]

You just cannot prove a party doesn't own something.