[_w1tm]

> But seriously, I get why free will is troubleaome, but the fact people can choose a thing, work at the thing, and effectuate the change against a set of options they had never considered before an initial moment of choice is strong and sufficient evidence against anti free will claims.

Do people choose a thing or was the thing chosen for them by some inputs they received in the past?

[prmph]

Our minds and intuitive logic systems are too feeble to grasp how free will can be a thing.

It's like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a well educated person or scientist from the 16th century without the benefit of experimental evidence. No way they'd believe you. In fact, they'd accuse you of violating basic logic.

[tomrod]

Yes to both, but the first is possible in a vacuum and therefore free will exists.