[Catbert59]

> Most of the stuff I did was 15 years ago.I remember, Espressif really disrupted the market.

They still are.

No vendor until now was able to push out microcontrollers with a solid Wifi integration. Sometimes you can find weird 2-chip-solutions.

I still wonder why ST doesn't bring one. That device would be a multi-billion-business.

[05]

ST are overpriced, no self respecting internet of shit vendor would be caught dead using their MCUs when cheap clones exist.

[Catbert59]

Most clones aren't even close compatible to their originals.

Maybe some basic stuff like usart, i2c works fine. But the the deeper you dig into the specialties the more you will have problems.

And STM32s and expensive? Maybe if you buy them from Digikey or Mouser. With the right distributor they are dirt cheap.

[estimator7292]

ST doesn't want to make one because then you can do OTA firmware updates without their special $60 usb to serial adapter that won't work for non-st parts

[Catbert59]

All of the newer STM32s have ROM-bootloaders that support UART- or even USB-flash.

For SWD you can one of the ST-Link clones or the free open implementations of it.