[pharos92]

From my perspective, this is born out of NGO's and political elite. This is not an ask from or concern of the general population.

[afavour]

> This is not an ask from or concern of the general population.

It isn’t, but when asked in a “Do you support saving children?” way a lot of people do support it. You might say that’s idiotic, and you’re right, but any campaign to reverse this stuff has to reckon with it.

[matheusmoreira]

Anyone who asks that is arguing in bad faith and using children as political weapons to achieve their ends. It's gotten to the point I outright dismiss anything the politicians say the second I hear the words "children" and "terrorists".

[userbinator]

Ditto for "do you want more secure software?" It turns out people don't realise that also means making software secured against their will.

[laughing_man]

Every authoritarian regime relies on large numbers of useful idiots.

[dgs_sgd]

Democracy seems increasingly defined by the citizens opposing some measure, and the politicians going ahead with it anyway.

[account42]

Worse, Governments seem to have gotten the idea that it's their place to tell the population what to do and want when it should be the other way around.

[mrbombastic]

Is it just me or is this demonizing of NGOs a very recent phenomenon trickling into the dialogue? I find it quite alarming.

[esseph]

It is more a long the lines that large document leaks have allowed people to see how NGOs have become vehicles for State Intelligence and corporate/political power.

[UberFly]

"Non Government Organizations" that get (a lot of) public money and then get to use it in any clandestine way they feel like is worth demonizing.

[account42]

It's more that NGOs previously got an undeserved level of trust because most people associate doing something for free with benevolence.

[csmattryder]

>And the parents that are worried about their children getting fucked up by hardcore porn and social media.

Rarely brought up during the OSA debate, but I think we all know every UK ISP has "Safety Shield" on to block access to adult entertainment - by default. When purchasing the service you're asked if you want it disabled.

If parents are disabling it, they can't be that worried.

[djrj477dhsnv]

> children getting fucked up by hardcore porn

What evidence do you have that this is a reasonable concern?

I've seen plenty of hard-core porn since the age of 10 and turned out just fine. I don't know anyone in my generation that has said otherwise.

[einpoklum]

1. "Parents of children", unfortunately, have little political clout (also when including their votes).

2. Children are not "fucked up" by seeing people having sex. I mean, ok, parents can be worried about them being "fucked up", but this is to a great extent the same engineering-of-consciousness that the TF article is discussing, and which the UK government wishes to affect.

[0dayz]

And not corporate despite the lobbying?

Afaik not a single serious ngo support this.

[takoid]

It depends what you consider a “serious NGO,” but the NSPCC, the Molly Rose Foundation, the Breck Foundation, the End Violence Against Women Coalition, and other NGOs actively campaigned for and supported it.

[philipallstar]

Lobbying only does something if government is corrupt.