[mrs6969]

I don’t know if this will make anything better.

Internet is now filled with ai generated text, picture or videos. Like we havent had enough already, it is becaming more and more. We make ai agents to talk to each other.

Someone will make ai to generate a form, many other will use ai to fill that form. Even worst, some people will fill millions of forms in matter of second. What is left is the empty feeling of having a form. If ai generates, and fills, and uses it, what good do we have having a form?

Feel like things get meaningless when ai starts doing it. Would you still be watching youtube, if you knew it is fully ai generated, or would you still be reading hackernews, if you know there not a single human writing here?

[epolanski]

I am starting to see this age of internet-for-robots-by-robots as our second chance to detach from those devices and start living irl again.

[kokanee]

Just the pesky matter of figuring out what humans will do for money, and then we'll be free to run in the meadows like we were meant to

[asdff]

The subtext is the one technology capable of potentially rallying, unifying, and mobilizing the working class across the globe is lost in this design. Probably intentionally. A shame we couldn't rise up and do something about wealth distribution before the powers that be that maintain the world's status quo locked it down.

[SoftTalker]

I’m definitely watching less YouTube because so much of my feed is now AI generated garbage. I only watch new videos from known human creators. My exploration of new creators is way down.

[barrenko]

AI kills the mobile, kills the social networks, maybe killing humans in the process :).

[mrs6969]

I really wish, but I doubt that. I will definitely move to that direction though. I am a professional software engineer, and seriously considering doing another job.

not because AI can take over my job or something, hell no it can't, at least for now. but day by day I am missing the point of being an engineer. problem solving, building and seeing that it works. the joy of engineering is almost gone. Personally, I am not satisfied with my job as I used to do, and that is really bothering.

[kristopolous]

on the commercial web, consuming content is labor and the cheapest there is ... seeing it being replaced by AI is exactly what is expected.

[throwaway13337]

It’s wild to me that people see this as bad.

The point of the form is not in the filling. You shouldn't want to fill out a form.

If you could accomplish your task without the busywork, why wouldn’t you?

If you could interact with the world on your terms, rather than in the enshitified way monopoly platforms force on you, why wouldn't you?

And yeah, if you could consume content in the way you want, rather than the way it is presented, why wouldn’t you?

I understand the issue with AI gen slop, but slop content has been around since before AI - it's the incentives that are rotten.

Gen AI could be the greatest manipulator. It could also be our best defense against manipulation. That future is being shaped right now. It could go either way.

Let's push for the future where the individual has control of the way they interact.

[mrs6969]

you are getting this from the wrong perspective. I agree what you say here, but things you are listing here implies one thing;

"you didnt want to do this before, now with the help of ai, you dont have to. you just live your life as the way you want"

and your assumption is wrong. I still want to watch videos when it is generated by human. I still want to use internet, but when I know it is a human being at the other side. What I don't want is AI to destroy or make dirty the things I care, I enjoy doing. Yes, I want to live in my terms, and AI is not part of it, humans do.

I hope it is clear.

[Uehreka]

> I understand the issue with AI gen slop, but slop content has been around since before AI - it's the incentives that are rotten.

Everyone says this, and it feels like a wholly unserious way to terminate the thinking and end the conversation.

Is the slop problem meaningfully worse now that we have AI? Yes: I’m coming across much more deceptively framed or fluffed up content than I used to. Is anyone proposing any (actually credible, not hand wavy microtransaction schemes) method of fixing the incentives? No.

So should we do some sort of First Amendment-violating ultramessy AI ban? I don’t want that to happen, but people are mad, and if we don’t come up with a serious and credible way to fix this, then people who care less than us will take it upon themselves to solve it, and the “First Amendment-violating ultramessy AI ban” is what we’re gonna get.

[clutchdude]

> If you could accomplish your task without the busywork, why wouldn’t you?

There's taking away the busywork such as hand washing every dish and instead using a dishwasher.

Then there is this where, rather than have any dishes, a cadre of robots comes by and drops a morsel of food in your mouth for every bite you take.

[rpowers]

I've had this conversation a couple of times now. If AI can just scan a video and provide bullet points, what's the point of the video at all? Same with UI/UX in general. Without real users, then it starts to feel meaningless.

Some media is cool because you know it was really difficult to put it together or obtain the footage. I think of Tom Cruise and his stunts in Mission Impossible as an example. They add to the spectacle because you know someone actually did this and it was difficult, expensive, and dangerous. (Implying a once in a lifetime moment.) But yeah, AI offers ways to make this visual infinitely repeatable.

[Blahah]

Lots of people really prefer watching videos. I'm very grateful that tools exist for those of us who don't.

[raincole]

> make this visual infinitely repeatable

I'm quite sure that was how people thought about record players and films themselves.

And frankly, they were correct. The recording devices did cheapen the experience (compared to the real thing). And the digitalization of the production and distribution process cheapened it even more. Being in a gallery is a very different experience than browsing the exact same paintings on instagram.

[EbNar]

> If AI can just scan a video and provide bullet points, what's the point of the video at all?

Maybe, just maybe, the video format is being abused. Blogs are much more time-efficient. Frankly, every time I see some interesting topic linked to a video, I just skip it. I don't have the time or will to listen to some "content creator" blabbering to increase their video length/revenues. If I'm REALLY interested, I just use some LLM to summarize it. And no, I don't feel bad for doing this.

[SchemaLoad]

I think the future is probably that basically everything gets linked to an ID either directly or indirectly. If you get caught out using bots or spamming you'll end up ID banned from services.

[chankstein38]

I was just talking about this same thing with someone. It's like emails. If, instead of writing an email, I gave AI some talking points and then told it to generate an email around that, then the person that I sent it to has AI summarize it.... What's the point of email? Why would we still use email at all? Just either send each other shorter messages through another platform or let LLMs do the entire communication for you.

And like you said, it just feels empty when AI creates it. I wish this overhyped garbage just hadn't happened. But greed continues to prevail it seems.

[SchemaLoad]

LLMs are basically only useful when they can utilise public information. They are great for answering questions because the answer to your question can be pulled from wikipedia and reddit. They are completely useless for writing emails because they don't have any more info than you give them. The only thing they can do is fluff them out with nothingness, when the receiver is than AI summerising to strip out.

[carlosjobim]

Communication by e-mail is for when you need a human decision. AI can't help with that.

> Just either send each other shorter messages through another platform

Why would you use another platform for sending shorter messages? E-Mail is instant and supported on all platforms.

[ares623]

Some of us won’t. But a majority probably will.

Even more important, the kids of today won’t care. Their internet will be fully slopped.

And with outdoor places getting more and more rare/expensive, they’ll have no choice but to consume slop.

[mrs6969]

That is kids choice then, I just want to live with my own choice. I missed the day when you have no doubt about the person sending a message to you is a human

[bpt3]

> And with outdoor places getting more and more rare/expensive, they’ll have no choice but to consume slop.

What does this mean? Cities and other places where real estate is expensive still have public parks, and outdoor places are not getting more expensive elsewhere.

They also have numerous other choices other than "consume whatever is on the internet" and "go outside".

I don't think anyone benefits from poorly automated content creation, but I'm not this resigned to its impact on society.

[SchemaLoad]

The only solution I see is taxes going to fund outdoor in person spaces. As a society we very easily can afford these spaces, it's just that the people who need them most are the ones least able to pay for things.

Banning social media for kids alongside funding free or subsidised in person environments will be a huge benefit to society.