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claw-el | 6 months ago

The other confusion with self driving for me is, is the “self” the human or the car?

Self driving can totally means the human own-self driving.

Having SAE level is clearer.

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sjsdaiuasgdia|6 months ago

Do you think anyone makes the same error when they see a "self cleaning" oven?

There's plenty wrong about the FSD terminology and SAE levels would absolutely be clearer, but I doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are confused as to the target of 'self' in the phrase 'full self driving'.

JumpCrisscross|6 months ago

> Do you think anyone makes the same error when they see a "self cleaning" oven?

How many juries and courts have ruled adversely against self-cleaning oven makers?

Tesla has absolutely lied about its software's capabilities. From the lawsuit that went to trial:

“In 2016, the company posted a video of what appears to be a car equipped with Autopilot driving on its own.

‘The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons,’ reads a caption that flashes at the beginning of the video. ‘He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.’ (Six years later, a senior Tesla engineer conceded as part of a separate lawsuit that the video was staged and did not represent the true capabilities of the car.) [1]”

[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/07/14/nx-s1-5462851/tesla-lawsuit-a...