I wish it were easier to contribute more to my 401k during specific pay periods.
Part of my income is commission-based. I could max out my 401k when I receive my commission. It would be easier for me to budget this way. Unfortunately, contribution is all-or-nothing, and changing one's contribution percentage takes a few pay periods to go into effect.
Another tip not mentioned re 401k: change your default elections! Brokerages will usually put 401k funds into expensive "target date" managed funds that usually don't perform better than much cheaper index funds. Many 401k plans will allow contributors to choose index funds.
Having a single bullet point about using a trust is insufficient, as it is quite complicated to receive a trust. There are other options for managing estate planning that will work well for ordinary families (those with less than ~$28 million in total assets).
The marketing around trusts is a classic information asymmetry. Law firms selling the service of setting up a trust know it’s not simple for heirs, but that is essentially repeat business for them. Many heirs will need to hire a lawyer to help retitle and transfer assets in the trust, and dissolve the trust if they want to personally control the assets.
And people buying the service of setting up a trust will, by definition, never know how it ends up. (Maybe unless they themselves have received a trust.)
A trust is a powerful tool for protecting wealth across generations. It’s not easier than basic inheritance.
Edit to add: the easiest way to avoid probate is to designate beneficiaries on all your financial accounts. These supersede will instructions and avoid probate. You can do the same thing on vehicle titles, at least in some states.
Real estate is more complicated so the easiest thing on your heirs is to not own any real estate at the time of your death. :-) Or if you have real estate you would like to pass on, that specifically is a good use case for a living trust (with only the real estate inside it).
Trusts are like life insurance. It's not about when you're old and your kids are all grown up and self-reliant. The point of the trust is when you have younger kids and need to plan for you and your significant other both dying unexpectedly. It's no use naming your 8 year old as a beneficiary because they won't be able to use any of the assets without trusted adults.
>you could have a large tax bill when you file your taxes the following year. And if it’s too large, the IRS will even impose a penalty
It is actually called an "addition to tax", not a penalty, and in fact it is merely an interest charge, just like if you don't pay the full balance on your credit card each billing period (for tax, the "billing periods" are the (roughly) quarterly dates when estimated payments are due). If you can make more money elsewhere than the interest charge by the IRS (currently 7%) you are better off not making the payments during the year.
>Health Savings Accounts are the rare unicorn of triple tax advantage: money isn’t taxed (1) going in, (2) while it’s growing in the account, or (3) when it’s taken out.
I see this a lot and it is completely ridiculous. (1) and (3) are the same thing when it comes to your contributions-- there is no scenario where you would ever pay tax on money when you contribute it and also when you take it out. It is only a double tax advantage, not triple. (And the money only comes out tax free if you use it for a limited set of expenses namely health care).
2. The triple tax advantage is not ridiculous. (1) and (3) are not the same thing. 401k for example is not taxed going in (you fund it with pre-tax dollars) but is taxed when taken out. When you withdraw money from your 401k in retirement, you owe taxes on the capital gains that have accrued in the account since you first put the money in. But if you take money out of HSAs for paying medical bills, there is no tax on the capital appreciation you have enjoyed in your HSA account.
Don't #1 and #3 become true when you consider capital gains on an appreciated account? Genuine question, because how I'd thought of it, and your assertion shakes my confidence in my understanding.
I’m not sure I understand the RSU one. I just went back and did the math on my RSUs from last year and my company deducted over 22% on federal, as well as taxes for social security, Medicare, and state tax.
Assuming there isn’t a 2nd income drastically raising your income, why wouldn’t the company withhold the right percentage, considering they know what you make? Choosing a flat 22% seems odd.
From what I've seen in Schwab and experienced personally. The "sell shares for taxes" settings is a flat tax rate, mine is 26% last I looked. If you're in the higher brackets[1], ie making 250k+ it can be up to 9% difference. So if you get a vest of 20k in November toward the end of the year where you're likely in that higher bracket the amount Schwab sells could be 1,200~ difference (assuming 32% tax bracket, 26% flat), meaning you'd owe the federal gov that come tax time.
If you speak with a tax professional, for which I am not, they would tell you to calculate the difference and pay quarterly amounts. In practice this means that I sell more periodically just for taxes[2].
It may be better for you. For example, you may want to cover the rest of the tax bill by selling other shares and doing tax lost harvesting. You may think your company is going to the moon and decide to cover the rest of your tax bill with cash and keep your shares (this is usually a bad idea). The way they do it gives you flexibility.
What you are saying is very reasonable but companies don't deduct enough in taxes at the time the RSUs vest. I don't know why that is. I'm sure there's some arcane reason. That's why it's important to keep track of this a little bit otherwise you will have an unpleasant surprise when taxes are due.
The article makes valid points. However, many of its recommendations are not practical for the 60% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. Even merely contributing to a 401(k) or HSA can be difficult for these families.
The conventional wisdom of investing the maximum into your 401(k) beyond employer contributions is a dangerous tip if you fully intend to retire early, because you are penalized so heavily on withdrawing too young and then further taxed on it.
It’s such bad advice and people parrot it all the time, probably because so many people are so bad with finances to begin with. It’s almost always a bad idea in this specific case.
If you intend to retire in your late 60s, then the conventional wisdom is fine.
Good point. Roth IRA was clearly a miss. It wasn't on my radar since you cannot contribute to it if your income is more than $165,000 (single) or $246,000 (married).
One more: /r/CreditCards on Reddit is an awesome resource for finding excellent credit card deals. Banks offer amazing sign-ups deals in the hopes that you'll carry a big balance in perpetuity. Taking the bait and paying off your card every month is basically free money!
Don't get sucked into churning, though. It's high risk for very low reward.
nunez|6 months ago
Part of my income is commission-based. I could max out my 401k when I receive my commission. It would be easier for me to budget this way. Unfortunately, contribution is all-or-nothing, and changing one's contribution percentage takes a few pay periods to go into effect.
Another tip not mentioned re 401k: change your default elections! Brokerages will usually put 401k funds into expensive "target date" managed funds that usually don't perform better than much cheaper index funds. Many 401k plans will allow contributors to choose index funds.
putlake|6 months ago
snowwrestler|6 months ago
The marketing around trusts is a classic information asymmetry. Law firms selling the service of setting up a trust know it’s not simple for heirs, but that is essentially repeat business for them. Many heirs will need to hire a lawyer to help retitle and transfer assets in the trust, and dissolve the trust if they want to personally control the assets.
And people buying the service of setting up a trust will, by definition, never know how it ends up. (Maybe unless they themselves have received a trust.)
A trust is a powerful tool for protecting wealth across generations. It’s not easier than basic inheritance.
Edit to add: the easiest way to avoid probate is to designate beneficiaries on all your financial accounts. These supersede will instructions and avoid probate. You can do the same thing on vehicle titles, at least in some states.
Real estate is more complicated so the easiest thing on your heirs is to not own any real estate at the time of your death. :-) Or if you have real estate you would like to pass on, that specifically is a good use case for a living trust (with only the real estate inside it).
putlake|6 months ago
xhkkffbf|6 months ago
PopAlongKid|6 months ago
It is actually called an "addition to tax", not a penalty, and in fact it is merely an interest charge, just like if you don't pay the full balance on your credit card each billing period (for tax, the "billing periods" are the (roughly) quarterly dates when estimated payments are due). If you can make more money elsewhere than the interest charge by the IRS (currently 7%) you are better off not making the payments during the year.
>Health Savings Accounts are the rare unicorn of triple tax advantage: money isn’t taxed (1) going in, (2) while it’s growing in the account, or (3) when it’s taken out.
I see this a lot and it is completely ridiculous. (1) and (3) are the same thing when it comes to your contributions-- there is no scenario where you would ever pay tax on money when you contribute it and also when you take it out. It is only a double tax advantage, not triple. (And the money only comes out tax free if you use it for a limited set of expenses namely health care).
putlake|6 months ago
2. The triple tax advantage is not ridiculous. (1) and (3) are not the same thing. 401k for example is not taxed going in (you fund it with pre-tax dollars) but is taxed when taken out. When you withdraw money from your 401k in retirement, you owe taxes on the capital gains that have accrued in the account since you first put the money in. But if you take money out of HSAs for paying medical bills, there is no tax on the capital appreciation you have enjoyed in your HSA account.
eszed|6 months ago
phreeza|6 months ago
adlpz|6 months ago
Anyone knows about similar resources for, say, the EU? Or it just varies too much by country here?
al_borland|6 months ago
Assuming there isn’t a 2nd income drastically raising your income, why wouldn’t the company withhold the right percentage, considering they know what you make? Choosing a flat 22% seems odd.
blinded|6 months ago
If you speak with a tax professional, for which I am not, they would tell you to calculate the difference and pay quarterly amounts. In practice this means that I sell more periodically just for taxes[2].
1. https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-income-tax-rates-and-brac... 2. https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
Edit: from what I understand payroll isn't informing Schwab of your current bracket, nor do I think they should have to.
QuiEgo|6 months ago
It may be better for you. For example, you may want to cover the rest of the tax bill by selling other shares and doing tax lost harvesting. You may think your company is going to the moon and decide to cover the rest of your tax bill with cash and keep your shares (this is usually a bad idea). The way they do it gives you flexibility.
putlake|6 months ago
racecar789|6 months ago
mensetmanusman|6 months ago
Eg. If people prioritized this advice and didn’t buy vehicles they couldn’t afford, would America be better off?
andrewmcwatters|6 months ago
It’s such bad advice and people parrot it all the time, probably because so many people are so bad with finances to begin with. It’s almost always a bad idea in this specific case.
If you intend to retire in your late 60s, then the conventional wisdom is fine.
cko|6 months ago
This is not always a given. If your income in retirement is much higher than your working years income, you will end up losing on taxes.
In fact, my employer didn't match at all so all my money is invested post-tax in a brokerage.
You should probably max out your Roth IRA, however.
putlake|6 months ago
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nunez|6 months ago
Don't get sucked into churning, though. It's high risk for very low reward.
positr0n|6 months ago
Forgetting to pay a bill with all the accounts you are juggling then wiping out your gains with one late fee?
black_13|6 months ago
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