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helqn | 5 months ago

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galangalalgol|5 months ago

There aren't any instances of politically motivated violence within a society increasing its fairness or plurality. That happens only when a large majority view it as desirable and worth risking harm for. Right now the US, Turkey and Poland are relatively evenly split between those who want more pluralism at the price of a decaying status quo, and those willing to discard that pluralism to fight what they view as existential threats to their society. They might not be wrong about the threats, but discarding political freedoms selectively doesn't work. The point is that in a polarized context, political violence only decreases pluralism, no matter who is better at killing. This political violence becoming self reinforcing is just as deadly to our democracy as a failure of judicial independence. The way back involves climbing out of echo chambers and having calm rational conversations with people who hold views you find incomprehensible. So that you can comprehend them. What are they worried about that drives their priorities? Don't dismiss those worries. The majority in any society want fairness and rule of law and to be able to meet their needs. The minority get us disagreeing on how those common goals should be pursued so that they can prevent it happening. Go find some grounds for agreement.

bena|5 months ago

He was a religious fundamentalist. Pretty far from a "moderate".

He did not deserve to die for his fundamentalism, but trying to paint him as a moderate who engaged with the process genuinely and in good faith is wildly mischaracterizing his entire life and political career.

reenorap|5 months ago

Everything you said above is false.

What exactly is a religion fundamentalist? He was a Christian, but what makes him a "fundamentalist"?

What exactly did he do that wasn't in good faith? All he did was talk to people respectfully and engage in open dialogue. He had no notes with him ever, and he just talked with people. And for that he got murdered.