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paulvnickerson | 5 months ago

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HAL3000|5 months ago

> I'm saying the left has a bigger problem with violent rhetoric and actions

Here is some data that seems to say something different. It was posted as a response to Musk’s comment, "The Left is the party of murder."

https://x.com/SocDoneLeft/status/1965887912530293069

Btw It’s really crazy to read what a person who has 225M followers on X writes when he replies "Exactly" directly to claim that people who fund the Left, like Bill Gates, are murderers.

elcritch|5 months ago

Looking at that source I’m skeptical of the validity of graph.

Anecdotally in recent years I generally see far more casual references to violence from left leaning people both online and in person. After the attempted assignation of Trump, my Facebook feed was full of left leaning friends saying “shame he missed!”. It was gross. Similar comments abounded on a Washington Post article about Kirk’s shooting. Or the guy who murdered the UnitedHealth CEO, etc.

On the linked graph take the case of that attempted assassination of Trump in Pennsylvania where the shooter is listed as “conservative/right leaning”.

However no motivation for that shooting has been found and the shooters politics were mixed. Seems he registered to vote as a republican but that’s not uncommon in a rural state as otherwise you don’t get to vote in primaries. He also donated to a democratic cause. His Wikipedia page lists his political beliefs as unknown.

Other cases I’ve looked into in my local Idaho area were listed as “right wing” or “white supremacist” but were a couple of members of a gang trying to free another who was imprisoned for dealing drugs.

Most of those drug gangs aren’t left or right leaning, just thugs.

consumer451|5 months ago

There is no need to self-censor a comment like this.

If you believe that one political side is more prone to violence than the other, then say so and show your supporting data.

lynndotpy|5 months ago

Your view is simply one that is not in line with reality.

There's the numerous Obama assassination plots, 2017 Unite the Right rally, Jan 6, the recent assassinations of Democrat politicians, Abbott in 2024 pardoning murderer Daniel Perry who went to a BLM protest with the intention of killing protestors, and the terror groups like the Proud Boys, the 3 Percenters, The Base, the O9A/Cvlt/764.

And that's not to mention the Christchurch mosque shootings, the Club Q or Pulse Nightclub shootings, the El Paso Walmart shooting, the Jacksonville Dollar Tree shooting, or the Charleston church shooting.

And these are just the ones off the top of my head. These aren't cherry picked; the stats disagree with you too. Here is one such study, but you would be hard pressed to find one that shows otherwise: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9335287/

The right commits far more political violence. That is just a simple fact of reality.

(edit) If you are sincerely concerned about political violence, then it's worth keeping up with the far-right accelerationist movement. They have been increasing in activity since 2020, and attacks on gun proponents and conservatives are part of those plots, like The Base's foiled 2020 attack on a gun rights rally in Virginia, or the the foiled 2024 energy grid attack ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atomwaffen_Division_me... )

stouset|5 months ago

Don’t forget about Melissa and Mark Hortman. Or the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.

next_xibalba|5 months ago

Huh?

Trump’s two would be assassins were left aligned.

Man who murdered politicians in Minnesota was right aligned.

It’s probably safe to assume today’s murderer was left aligned.

Seems like it’s a both sides problem.