I don't know if it's productive to talk on here, but I'm not the person you seem to think I am. I think Israel has a right to defend itself and I think it has a right to take in refuges if it wants to, but it doesn't have anything to do with your claim that Jewish israelis have some sort of claim to the land owing to ancestral history that isn't shared by the people they literally pushed out. You can read this wiki article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians), but my read is that the jews and palestinians both descended from a similar group of people. Palestinians are mostly just historic jews that converted
There are things that have moved me to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause over the past few years and I think if you haven't listened to Ezra Klein talk about this you should. I think he holds the right balance of pointing out the horror of what Israel has done while holding the context of the horrors Palestine seems intent on doing if given power
Agree with you on the first point except the conversion was not voluntary if you know Islam’s history in the region. Not only did it wipe out religions but also language and culture. Why can’t Israel have one tiny country for itself in the fraction of the region where the Jewish people have existed for 4000+ years? That’s what this whole thing is about. It’s religious warfare against the Jews disguised as fight for national independence or whatever they want to call it.
one thing that wikipedia article dedicates 1 sentence and only in order to dismiss, it's that there was significant arab immigration into area when it got economic boost after the arrival of the jews.
there are estimates of 100k - 300k migrants in 20s and 30s as border with jordan and egypt was unsupervised.
a good chunk of actual palestinians are probably descendants of jews that got "culturally colonized" . but it's not known how much of them.
i looked in a past through a bunch of genetic studies that were made that establish that palestinians are genetically native/related to jews. what i didn't find is how they collected data and if they discarded data that was "inconvenient" for purpose of analysis
space_fountain|5 months ago
There are things that have moved me to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause over the past few years and I think if you haven't listened to Ezra Klein talk about this you should. I think he holds the right balance of pointing out the horror of what Israel has done while holding the context of the horrors Palestine seems intent on doing if given power
rizpanjwani|5 months ago
tguvot|5 months ago
there are estimates of 100k - 300k migrants in 20s and 30s as border with jordan and egypt was unsupervised.
somewhat indirect confirmation of this, will be for example hamas minister of interior and security claiming that most of them have either egyptian or saudi origins: https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-minister-interior-and-nationa...
a good chunk of actual palestinians are probably descendants of jews that got "culturally colonized" . but it's not known how much of them.
i looked in a past through a bunch of genetic studies that were made that establish that palestinians are genetically native/related to jews. what i didn't find is how they collected data and if they discarded data that was "inconvenient" for purpose of analysis