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rizpanjwani | 5 months ago

Agree with you on the first point except the conversion was not voluntary if you know Islam’s history in the region. Not only did it wipe out religions but also language and culture. Why can’t Israel have one tiny country for itself in the fraction of the region where the Jewish people have existed for 4000+ years? That’s what this whole thing is about. It’s religious warfare against the Jews disguised as fight for national independence or whatever they want to call it.

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space_fountain|5 months ago

I'm not sure that any ethnic group has a right to a country, but I think it's pointless to talk about if Jews should have one though because they went and did it. That's done. I agree with you in so much as there's no going back now, but talking about what happened thousands of years ago is a poor way to decide what should happen now, especially when it's done simplistically.

The Jews who moved back to Israel did not have a greater claim to the region through ancestry than the people they pushed out and honestly I don't think it really would have mattered if they did.

Yes it is a bit of a religious war at times, but also imagine you were born in Palestine in the period of the british mandate. Your family likely lived in the region for thousands of years practicing more or less the same faith you did. You would have been forced out of your home in 1948. Your house would literally be given away as abandoned. If you happened to settle in East Jerusalem you might have been given a home in compensation. That home was originally some poor jewish families, but still somewhere to live, but then when Israel annexed the East Jerusalem they passed laws giving the property back to the original owners. Fine, but did you get your home back? No the law was structured explicitly so as not to apply to you. Maybe you were unlucky though and you resettled further into the interior of the west bank. Well then you might see extremist come into your community in the middle of the night and bulldoze your home. I'm not sure you need religion to end up radicalized in this situation. It isn't fair what Israel did to palestinians in the 40s and it isn't fair what they're doing now in the west bank and gaza. It also isn't fair what Arab countries have done to the jews, but the people who live in the west bank have now power over that

rizpanjwani|5 months ago

The whole identity of Arabs as Palestinians is a very recent fabrication a la Arafat the mass murderer. Jews were the Palestinians for 2000 years. Vast number of Arabs migrated to the British mandated Palestine from surrounding regions due to economical reasons. It is purely due to religious reasons that Arabs have refused time and again to have their own state even after Israel left gaza by electing hamas. Their intention is and always has been to wipe out the Jews or at the very least keep them under their thumb as second class citizens like in the good old days.