[zjaffee]

Except this isn't about H1B this is about the PERM process for EB2/EB3 greencards.

The truth is we should be much more open to temporary work permits, and much less open to this sort of thing for granting permanent residency. Tons of people getting employment based green cards hold jobs that could easily be filled by an American.

[wizzwizz4]

"You can only stay in the country if you're sponsored by an employer" creates an environment where workers have low bargaining power, decreasing the pressure for good working conditions (e.g. high pay), which – among other things – has impacts on the working conditions for locals. One might say it "affects what the market will sustain" (personally, I don't think calling everything a "market" is insightful).

From a purely economic perspective, the ideal is no borders, and total freedom of movement – but, of course, there are reasons that people don't want that: the real world doesn't run on economics. Pretty much all of these measures are compromises of some description, with non-obvious (and sometimes delayed) consequences if you start messing about with them. Most arguments involving "$CountryName jobs for $Demonym!" ignore all that, and if that leads to policy decisions, bad things happen. (That's not to say there's no way to enact protectionist employment policies, but you'd need to tweak more than just the one dial if you wanted that to work.)

[AdrianB1]

From an economic perspective the ideal is no borders if there are no significant differences between countries that would create an infinite surge in mobility. It's like electrical current, if there is zero resistance and a difference in potential, any short circuit will potentially destroy the entire circuit.

[hvb2]

> Tons of people getting employment based green cards hold jobs that could easily be filled by an American.

Could be filled by an American, sure. Is the American willing to do the work? Probably not...

This is not a uniquely American problem.

In tech, I've always felt it was hard to hire Americans because it seems there's such a push for degrees in business/law etcetera as opposed to engineering.

[Amezarak]

How hard are you looking? I was looking early last year and despite hundreds of applications, got nothing but automated rejection emails, if that.

I also know many new grads looking for jobs and having a lot of trouble.

Unfortunately, their experience is telling their younger peers not to go into tech - it's full.

[logicchains]

Americans would be more willing to do the work if they salary was higher, and the salary would be higher if the supply of workers was reduced due to not allowing cheap imported labor.