[wtbdbrrr]

> assume the system will react to resist intervention

Systems don't do that. Only constituents who fear particular consequences do.

Systems also don't care about levels of complexity. Especially since it's insanely hard to actually break systems that are held together by only the "what the fuck is going on, let's look into that" kind. Hours, days, weeks, later, things run again. BILLIONS lost. Oh, we wish ...

At the end of the day, the term Systems Thinking is overloaded by all the parts that have been invented by so called economists and "the financial industry", which makes me chuckle every time now that it's 2025 and oil rich countries have been in development for decades, the advertisement industry is factory farming content creators and economists and multi-billionaires want more tikktoccc and instagwam to get into the backs of teen heads.

If you are a SWE, systems architect or anything in that sphere, please, ... act like you care about the people you are building for ... take some time off if you can and take care of must be taken care of, ... it's just systems, after all.

[catlifeonmars]

> Systems don't do that. Only constituents who fear particular consequences do.

These are part of a system. Ignoring these components gives you an incomplete model.

(All models are incomplete, by definition, but ignoring constituents that have a major influence greatly reduces the effectiveness of your model)

[lucas_membrane]

You make a fine point. My simplified version of it is that there is no such thing as an isolated system. Things change. A system optimized for one environment is likely to fail when things change. Most of the hugely successful firms of today focus more on controlling their environment than on developing a capacity to adapt to unforeseeable consequences of unforeseen changes in their environment, even the ones that they cause themselves.

[tbrownaw]

>> > assume the system will react to resist intervention

Systems don't do that. Only constituents who fear particular consequences do. <<

For example, the human body is pretty decent at maintaining a fixed internal temperature.

Cities supposedly maintain a fairly stable transit time even as transit infrastructure improves.