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You might be interested in this talk[0] by a WebKit engineer on how they're implementing similar approaches using libTooling and their own smart pointer types.

For example, their tooling prevents code like this:

    if (m_weakMember) { m_weakMember->doThing(); }

from compiling, forcing you to explicitly create an owning local reference, like so:

    if (RefPtr strongLocal = m_weakMember.get()) { strongLocal->doThing(); }

unless it's a trivial inlined function, like a simple getter.

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLw13wLM5Ko

[pizlonator]

I was going to link to this.

My interpretation of Geoff's presentation is that some version of profiles might work, at least in the sense of making it possible to write C++ code that is substantially safer than what we have today.

[tialaramex]

Geoff's stuff is mostly about heuristics. For his purpose that makes sense. If Apple are spending say $1Bn on security problems and Geoff spends $1M cutting such problems by 90% that's money well spent. The current direction of profiles is big on heuristics. Easy quick wins to maybe get C++ under the "Radioactively unsafe" radar even if it can't pass for safe.

The most hopeful thing I saw in Geoff's talk was cultural. It sounds like Geoff's team wanted to get to safer code. Things went faster than expected, people landed "me too" unsolicited patches, that sort of thing. Of course this is self-reported, but assuming Geoff wasn't showing us a very flattering portrait of a grim reality, which I can't see any incentive for, this team sounds like while they'd get value from Rust they're delivering many of the same security benefits in C++ anyway.

Bureaucrats don't like culture because it's hard to measure. "Make sure you hire programmers with a good culture" is hard to chart. You're probably going to end up running some awful quiz your team hates "Answer D, A, B, B, E, B to get 100%". Whereas "Use Rust not C++" is measurable, team A has 93% of code in Rust, but team B scored 94.5% so that's more Rust, they win.