[jareds]

I'm rooting against Kotlin since it appears to be only usable with the JetBrains ide. I'm totally blind and Jetbrains tools are not nearly as accessible or easy to use as VS Code with all the Java extensions in my experience. At all the jobs I've had no one cared if I didn't use Idea, but considering it looks like there's no good VS Code tooling for Kotlin if I have to use Kotlin professionally it's going to be painful.

[palata]

Oh I didn't know about that. Is JetBrains improving on accessibility, at least, or not really?

[mdaniel]

What's unexpected about that observation is that they have actually completely separated the presentation layer from the business logic because such a thing was required to have "Code with Me" and their "projector" project wherein one could use IJ from a browser https://jetbrains.github.io/projector-client/mkdocs/latest/a...

But, I am fully talking out of school because I don't know what the actual, no kidding, accessibility hurdles one faces when trying to do work in such a setup, nor what concessions VS Code has made to fix those problems

But I do know that YouTrack has a dedicated categorization for accessibility reports and I am sure they would welcome hearing about how they could win back those audiences https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues?q=%23%7BUI.%20Accessib...

[ohdeargodno]

As of somewhat recently, Kotlin has a language server: https://github.com/Kotlin/kotlin-lsp

Using it in vscode, while not perfect yet, is starting to be alright.

[jareds]

Thanks, I've starred the project so I can keep up with it. I don't currently have any plans to do anything with Kotlin but will look at this if I do in the future.