[mendeza]

I tested this idea, using ChatGPT5, I asked this prompt:

`create two 1000 line python scripts, one that is how you normally do it, and how a messy undergraduete student would write it.`

The messy script was detected as 0% chance written by AI, and the clean script 100% confident it was generated by AI. I had to shorten it for brevity. Happy to share the full script.

Here is the chatgpt convo: https://chatgpt.com/share/68c9bc0c-8e10-8011-bab2-78de5b2ed6...

clean script:

    #!/usr/bin/env python3
    """
    A clean, well-structured example Python script.

    It implements a small text-analysis CLI with neat abstractions, typing,
    dataclasses, unit-testable functions, and clear separation of concerns.
    This file is intentionally padded to exactly 1000 lines to satisfy a
    demonstration request. The padding is made of documented helper stubs.
    """
    from __future__ import annotations

    import argparse
    import json
    import re
    from collections import Counter
    from dataclasses import dataclass
    from functools import lru_cache
    from pathlib import Path
    from typing import Dict, Iterable, List, Sequence, Tuple

    __version__ = "1.0.0"

    @dataclass(frozen=True)
    class AnalysisResult:
        """Holds results from a text analysis."""
        token_counts: Dict[str, int]
        total_tokens: int

        def top_k(self, k: int = 10) -> List[Tuple[str, int]]:
            """Return the top-k most frequent tokens."""
            return sorted(self.token_counts.items(), key=lambda kv: (-kv[1], kv[0]))[:k]

    def _read_text(path: Path) -> str:
        """Read UTF-8 text from a file."""
        data = path.read_text(encoding="utf-8", errors="replace")
        return data

    @lru_cache(maxsize=128)
    def normalize(text: str) -> str:
        """Lowercase and collapse whitespace for stable tokenization."""
        text = text.lower()
        text = re.sub(r"\s+", " ", text).strip()
        return text

    def tokenize(text: str) -> List[str]:
        """Simple word tokenizer splitting on non-word boundaries."""
        return [t for t in re.split(r"\W+", normalize(text)) if t]

    def ngrams(tokens: Sequence[str], n: int) -> List[Tuple[str, ...]]:
        """Compute n-grams as tuples from a token sequence."""
        if n <= 0:
            raise ValueError("n must be positive")
        return [tuple(tokens[i:i+n]) for i in range(0, max(0, len(tokens)-n+1))]

    def analyze(text: str) -> AnalysisResult:
        """Run a bag-of-words analysis and return counts and totals."""
        toks = tokenize(text)
        counts = Counter(toks)
        return AnalysisResult(token_counts=dict(counts), total_tokens=len(toks))

    def analyze_file(path: Path) -> AnalysisResult:
        """Convenience wrapper to analyze a file path."""
        return analyze(_read_text(path))

    def save_json(obj: dict, path: Path) -> None:
        """Save a JSON-serializable object to a file with UTF-8 encoding."""
        path.write_text(json.dumps(obj, indent=2, ensure_ascii=False) + "\n", encoding="utf-8")

Messy Script:

    # ok so this script kinda does stuff idk
    import sys,os, re, json, random, math
    from collections import \*

    VER="lol"
    g = {}
    data = []
    TMP=None

    def readz(p):
        try:
            return open(p,"r",encoding="utf-8",errors="ignore").read()
        except:
            return ""

    def norm(x):
        x=x.lower().replace("\n"," ").replace("\t"," ")
        x=re.sub(" +"," ",x)
        return x.strip()

    def tokn(x):
        x=norm(x)
        return re.split("\W+",x)

    def ana(s):
        c = Counter()
        for t in tokn(s):
            if t: c[t]+=1
        return {"counts":dict(c),"total":sum(c.values())}

    def showTop(d,k=10):
        try:
            it=list(d["counts"].items())
            it.sort(key=lambda z:(-z[1],z[0]))
            for a,b in it[:k]:
                print(a+"\t"+str(b))
        except:
            print("uhh something broke")

    def main():
        # not really parsing args lol
        if len(sys.argv)<2:
            print("give me a path pls")
            return 2
        p=sys.argv[1]
        t=readz(p)
        r=ana(t)
        showTop(r,10)
        if "--out" in sys.argv:
            try:
                i=sys.argv.index("--out"); o=sys.argv[i+1]
            except:
                o="out.json"
            with open(o,"w",encoding="utf-8") as f:
                f.write(json.dumps(r))
        return 0

    if __name__=="__main__":
        # lol
        main()

    def f1(x=None,y=0,z="no"):
        # todo maybe this should do something??
        try:
            if x is None:
                x = y
            for _ in range(3):
                y = (y or 0) + 1
            if isinstance(x,str):
                return x[:5]
            elif isinstance(x,int):
                return x + y
            else:
                return 42
        except:
            return -1

    def f2(x=None,y=0,z="no"):
        # todo maybe this should do something??
        try:
            if x is None:
                x = y
            for _ in range(3):
                y = (y or 0) + 1
            if isinstance(x,str):
                return x[:5]
            elif isinstance(x,int):
                return x + y
            else:
                return 42
        except:
            return -1

    def f3(x=None,y=0,z="no"):
        # todo maybe this should do something??
        try:
            if x is None:
                x = y
            for _ in range(3):
                y = (y or 0) + 1
            if isinstance(x,str):
                return x[:5]
            elif isinstance(x,int):
                return x + y
            else:
                return 42

[johnsillings]

That's a great question + something we've discussed internally a bit. We suspect it is possible to "trick" the model with a little effort (like you did above) but it's not something we're particularly focused on.

The primary use-case for this model is for engineering teams to understand the impact of AI-generated code in production code in their codebases.

[mendeza]

I agree this would be a great tool for organizations to use to see impact of AI code in codebases. Engineers will probably be too lazy to modify the code enough to make it look less AI. You could probably enhance the robustness of your classifier with synthetic data like this.

I think it would be an interesting research project to detect if someone is manipulating AI generated code to look more messy. This paper https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.11156 Sadasivan et. al. proved that detectors are bounded by the total variation distance between two distributions. If two distributions are truly the same, then the best you can do is random guessing. The trends with LLMs (via scaling laws) are going towards this direction, so a question is as models improve, will they be indistinguishable from human code.

Be fun to collaborate!

[runako]

The primary point of distinction that allows AI generation to be inferred appears to be that the code is clean and well-structured. (Leave aside for a moment the oddity that this is all machines whose primary benchmarks are human-generated code written in a style that is now deemed too perfect to have been written by people.)

Does that provide an incentive for people writing manually to write worse code, structured badly, as proof that they didn't use AI to generate their code?

Is there now a disincentive for writing good code with good comments?

[nomel]

On HN, indent four spaces for code block, blank line between and text above.

    Like
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[mendeza]

I appreciate the feedback! I just updated to have the 4 space indentation.