[DaveExeter]

Isn't that an Israeli "hasbara" site? The Israelis have admitted that they use the false cry of "antisemitism" to attack.

"Calling it antisemitism - it’s a trick we always use." Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli Minister

https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1896748975207952758

[gspencley]

How is that a refutation?

If I want to understand any position I would look for first sources. Say I want to understand why Russian invaded Ukraine, I would seek out Russian sources. When I try to understand the Palestinian position, I seek out Palestinian sources.

The beautiful thing about intellectual honesty and openness is that you don't have to agree with any position. You can expose yourself to things that deeply conflict with your personal values and walk away with a deeper understanding of why you value what you value, and how to refute ideas that you strongly disagree with.

To dismiss a source because it is Israeli ironically gives fuel to the antisemitism charge. You're saying that the very reason to dismiss it, to not even bother entertaining its arguments is because it is Israeli and no other reason. Beyond that, you are even arguing that any claims of prejudice can be dismissed outright on the basis of one thing that one Israeli Minster once said [allegedly].

That is the very definition of prejudice.

[alexisread]

Quite simply Israelis and Jews are not the same group, otherwise you would be holding all Jews on the planet responsible for this genocide. Dismissing the source for being Israeli is not antisemitic.

There are many examples of Israeli sources lying about the state of things, from the baseless claims against UNRWA to the unconscionable excuse of burying medics and the ambulances they were in, to avoid wild dogs eating them.

Israeli sources rarely offer evidence to refute the claims presented in this report, and a cry of antisemitism, as stated, conflates Judeism with Israeli nationality, hence these sources are worthless at best.

[DaveExeter]

"To dismiss a source because it is Israeli ironically gives fuel to the antisemitism charge."

We agree it is an Israeli source.

All the unwatch site does is accuse Israel's critics of being antisemites. When you can't respond to the message, attack the messenger. Accuse them of being antisemitic and being funded by Hamas.

The Israelis have taken it to the point of farce!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/09/stop-antisem...

[dotancohen]

If we're on the subject of damning historic quotes, I've got one for you:

  > Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

- Hamas founding charter

[ViewTrick1002]

Of course ignoring that Hamas was deliberately funded by Israel to cause a split between the politics of the West Bank and Gaza to prevent a unified political authority in Palestine.

[breppp]

You are aware that Shulamit Alloni was on the extreme left and was criticizing this supposed misuse of Antisemitism, this is not some playbook

The american equivalent would be to quote Bernie Sanders saying "America is fascist" and then saying, see? therefore the USA system of government is fascism, even Congress agrees!

[DaveExeter]

Not sure how that's the equivalent.

Lets see if there is a pattern.

Roger Waters criticizes Israel, Roger Waters is an antisemite.

Tucker Carlson criticizes Israel, Tucker Carlson is an antisemite.

Edward Said criticizes Israel, Edward Said is an antisemite.

Even "legends" get called antisemites! [1]

Hannah Einbinder criticizes Israel, Hannah Einbinder is an antisemite? Hmmm.

According to Jerry Seinfeld, anyone who says "free palestine" is antisemitic.

Any website, or any person, that claims "antisemitism" has lost all credibility for me.

[1] https://moguldom.com/454177/silicon-valley-legend-paul-graha...