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olmo23 | 5 months ago

You can not rely on brute force alone to compute these numbers. They are uncomputable.

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karmakaze|5 months ago

The busy beaver numbers form an uncomputable sequence.

For BB(5) the proof of its value is an indirect computation. The verification process involved both computation (running many machines) and proofs (showing others run forever or halt earlier). The exhaustiveness of crowdsourced proofs was a tour de force.

arethuza|5 months ago

Isn't it rather that the Busy Beaver function is uncomputable, particular values can be calculated - although anything great than BB(5) is quite a challenge!

https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8972

CaptainNegative|5 months ago

Only finitely many values of BB can be mathematically determined. Once your Turing Machines become expressive enough to encode your (presumably consistent) proof system, they can begin encoding nonsense of the form "I will halt only after I manage to derive a proof that I won't ever halt", which means that their halting status (and the corresponding Busy Beaver value) fundamentally cannot be proven.

IsTom|5 months ago

> particular values can be calculated

You need proofs of nontermination for machines that don't halt. This isn't possible to bruteforce.

PartiallyTyped|5 months ago

They are at the very boundary of what is computable!