[robcohen]

Honestly, for people who value privacy and security: What exactly is the plan?

It seems like we're going from a reasonably acceptable option (GrapheneOS), to nothing.

[everdrive]

Avoid using your phone, don't install apps, don't rely on it for anything, and stick it in a drawer most of the time. Phones have ALWAYS been a bad bet for privacy, and we've been losing this cat and mouse game for years. I agree that what's happening lately seems like a real watershed moment, but the writing has been on the wall for a long time.

[seanw444]

If ever there was a time for Linux phones to gain renewed development interest, it's now.

[sensen]

There's a part of me that wishes Firefox OS remained viable and overcame its problems where it could've become a viable alternative. I'm hopeful for the future of Linux phones, but I've yet to see a product that looks like it's reliable and works well..

[burnt-resistor]

The problem extends far deeper than just FOSS for mobile and IoT. There isn't competitive OSHW. The entire pipeline for silicon hardware development (PCB dev is relatively easy) is virtually locked away behind gates that require identity and/or address verification, node-locked trial licenses or sometimes big license fees paid to one or more big 3 EDA vendors. And that's even before getting anywhere need talking to a fab.

[uyzstvqs]

I'll add to this that libadwaita is really good, and manages to scale applications between desktop and mobile extremely well. Far better than any other mobile-desktop convergence I've seen before. Flatpak also offers a very good method for distributing apps in an easy and largely decentralized way.

[beanjuiceII]

its a great idea but i think the work to make something practical is extremely high

[kasabali]

Year of the Linux phones?

[bri3d]

This is orthogonal to GrapheneOS; GrapheneOS's utility is being eroded by Device Attestation, but this change is irrelevant as GrapheneOS will already fail strict attestation.

[sfotm]

Maybe I missed it, but assuming GrapheneOS doesn't adhere to this verification, or provides some OS-level way to disable it, what makes Graphene worse after this change?

[traverseda]

GrapheneOS is only allowed to live because google lets it. This signals a wider ecosystem change that tells us that GrapheneOS is going to stop being usable when this generation of hardware dies. This generation or maybe the one after it.

[logicchains]

Buy a Linux phone or contribute to development of the Linux phone ecosystem, and accept that while it may lag behind in features, it makes up for that in freedom and privacy. Potentially keep a cheap Apple/Android around for stuff like banking software that only works on them.

[lawn]

It seems to me that people are overreacting a little.

There's only speculation that GtapheneOS will stop existing.

They're working with a manufacturer to get first-class support for a new phone, which will be hard for Google to simply kill off.

Short and medium term GrapheneOS will continue and long-term I'm also hopeful.

[vivzkestrel]

wasnt there a lot of excitement in between for Fuchsia OS and Sailfish OS what happened to those?