I think I agree. I’m curious what software would be in places 2-10. If we’re talking about HN, maybe excel/google sheets? Maybe C++? Recent versions of macOS always seem to get hate, but I think macOS is in a different category.
Yes, it has a higher learning-curve than incrementally extending your constantly growing deploy.sh-script and there are many moments when it's complex and overkill. When you really need it though, no amount of in-house sysadmin-scripts will cover the same functionality with the same quality. The discussions about it online tend to have a very vocal majority of people from the first bucket, not yet realizing that they are slowly growing into the second.
All that said, it's by no means perfect and some critique is well-deserved, just that a lot of the hate comes from armchair-experts who compare it to running things locally on your laptop.
Very similar in fact to systemd, seen in isolation from an application-developer, it's one more thing to learn getting in your way. Seen from the complete system-administrators point of view, it's a consistent way to manage and secure your fleet.
I think excel/google sheets are generally well regarded in online circles. I also don’t see that much C++ hate, at least not the same kind of viceral hate systemd receives.
Too|5 months ago
Yes, it has a higher learning-curve than incrementally extending your constantly growing deploy.sh-script and there are many moments when it's complex and overkill. When you really need it though, no amount of in-house sysadmin-scripts will cover the same functionality with the same quality. The discussions about it online tend to have a very vocal majority of people from the first bucket, not yet realizing that they are slowly growing into the second.
All that said, it's by no means perfect and some critique is well-deserved, just that a lot of the hate comes from armchair-experts who compare it to running things locally on your laptop.
Very similar in fact to systemd, seen in isolation from an application-developer, it's one more thing to learn getting in your way. Seen from the complete system-administrators point of view, it's a consistent way to manage and secure your fleet.
oncallthrow|5 months ago
Imustaskforhelp|5 months ago
It is there but most people don't care, C++ is fine imo, I mean whatever works-> works.
Its very little hate compared to systemd imo