Nvidia is giving OpenAi money (through investment) to buy Nvidia chips. The bubble is that Nvidia got that money from its crazy high stock price, the extra investment raises OpenAi’s evaluation and the increased sells raises Nvidia’s evaluation. If the valuations see a correction then spending like this will decrease, further decreasing valuations.
Bubble collapsing looks like enshittification of OpenAI tools as they try to raise revenues. It’ll ripple all throughout tech as everyone is tied into LLMs, and capital will be harder to come by.
> The bubble is that Nvidia got that money from its crazy high stock price,
This is totally False, NVDA has not done any stock offerings. The money is coming from the ungodly amount of GPUs they are selling. In fact they are doing the opposite, they are buying back their stock because they have more money that they know what to do with.
NVDA outstanding shares are down ~1.2% year over year; the company has been buying back its own shares with —>> profits <<— to the tune of tens of billions.
Meanwhile NVDA stock is mildly up on this news, so the current owners of NVDA seem to like this investment. Or at least not hate it.
Agreed that we’ll see ad-enabled ChatGPT in about five minutes. What’s not clear is how easily we’ll be able to identify the ads.
Valuations won’t see a correction for the core players, I have no idea why people think that. Both of these companies are already money factories.
Then consider we are about to lower interest rates and kick off the growth cycle again. The only way these valuations are going is way up for the foreseeable future
And it's worth reiterating that a bubble does not mean the technology is worthless. The dot com bubble collapsed despite the internet being a revolutionary technology that has shaped every decade since. Similarly LLMs are a great and revolutionary technology, but expectations, perception and valuations have grown much faster than what the technology can justify
These hype cycles aren't even bad per se. There is lots of capital to test out lots of useful ideas. But only a fraction of those will turn out to be both useful and currently viable, and the readjustment will be painful
I think ultimately the conclusion that we're in a bubble is bad analysis. It jumps over a chasm and assumes that analogy to past historical situations allows us to draw conclusions.
This isn't a bubble. This is the collapse of 300 years of modern capitalism into corporate techno feudalism.
This won't crash and lead to a recession or depression. We are at the end game. Look around you. Capital is going scorched earth on labor. They are winning. Cost of living in metropolitan areas is exploding, and most of us will end up begging for scraps in peripheral areas.
This is the result of everything the elites have been working towards for the past few decades. Climate catastrophe is the cherry on the cake: they will shock therapy us into the last few bits. There will be corporate citizenship that enables one to live as a demi-god at the behest of the owners, and survival in the wastelands for the rest of us.
I think everyone is underestimating the advancements in wafer tech and server compute over the last decade. Easy to miss when it’s out of sight out of mind but this isn’t going anywhere but up.
The current SOTA is going to pale in comparison to what we have 10 years from now.
bitmasher9|5 months ago
Bubble collapsing looks like enshittification of OpenAI tools as they try to raise revenues. It’ll ripple all throughout tech as everyone is tied into LLMs, and capital will be harder to come by.
drexlspivey|5 months ago
This is totally False, NVDA has not done any stock offerings. The money is coming from the ungodly amount of GPUs they are selling. In fact they are doing the opposite, they are buying back their stock because they have more money that they know what to do with.
vessenes|5 months ago
Meanwhile NVDA stock is mildly up on this news, so the current owners of NVDA seem to like this investment. Or at least not hate it.
Agreed that we’ll see ad-enabled ChatGPT in about five minutes. What’s not clear is how easily we’ll be able to identify the ads.
mountainriver|5 months ago
Then consider we are about to lower interest rates and kick off the growth cycle again. The only way these valuations are going is way up for the foreseeable future
unknown|5 months ago
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babelfish|5 months ago
Why does monetizing OpenAI tools lead to bubble collapse? People are clearly willing to pay for LLMs
shawabawa3|5 months ago
Collapse might look a little like the dot com bubble (stock crashes, bankruptcies, layoffs, etc)
wongarsu|5 months ago
These hype cycles aren't even bad per se. There is lots of capital to test out lots of useful ideas. But only a fraction of those will turn out to be both useful and currently viable, and the readjustment will be painful
HarHarVeryFunny|5 months ago
jenkinomics|5 months ago
This isn't a bubble. This is the collapse of 300 years of modern capitalism into corporate techno feudalism.
This won't crash and lead to a recession or depression. We are at the end game. Look around you. Capital is going scorched earth on labor. They are winning. Cost of living in metropolitan areas is exploding, and most of us will end up begging for scraps in peripheral areas.
This is the result of everything the elites have been working towards for the past few decades. Climate catastrophe is the cherry on the cake: they will shock therapy us into the last few bits. There will be corporate citizenship that enables one to live as a demi-god at the behest of the owners, and survival in the wastelands for the rest of us.
Drunkfoowl|5 months ago
reactordev|5 months ago
The current SOTA is going to pale in comparison to what we have 10 years from now.