[vikarti]

Sometimes I wish I'm able to knew things like this in discussion: - is person legally adult(not necessary due to being of age, emancipation is also ok, people who do emancipation usually more...adult) - how much education person really have? (it's _usually_ pointless to discuss anything related to science with children from middle school)

[mrtksn]

Exactly. The "Ideas are fighting" thing isn't true, its actually people trying to convince each other and they should be at least close or you end up pandering over the basic stuff draining away your energy.That's why discussions in schools classes are much more high quality, they happen between people who were through about same stuff and even if they discuss the basics it happens with people on the same page.

Its useful to have an outsider to look at this thing from a different perspective but they still need to be at about same level. It's extremely rare to have an unrelated genius, %99.9 of the time the the outsiders are people who didn't go through the basics that a homogeneous group went through and they just do a speed run on the basic ideas that everybody first though but didn't work. Still shouldn't be dismissive, has its place when the established understanding strayed away from reality but its not possible to base all the discussion on such a composition.