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psanford | 5 months ago

I do hate the name ssh3. I was glad to see this at the top of the repo:

> SSH3 is probably going to change its name. It is still the SSH Connection Protocol (RFC4254) running on top of HTTP/3 Extended connect, but the required changes are heavy and too distant from the philosophy of popular SSH implementations to be considered for integration. The specification draft has already been renamed ("Remote Terminals over HTTP/3"), but we need some time to come up with a nice permanent name.

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zdw|5 months ago

Same - this feels equivalent of some rando making a repo called "Windows 12" or "Linux 7".

bravetraveler|5 months ago

LDAP2 or nextVFS... but point awarded. Feels that way because it is. Though my examples aren't great. These things just are; not really versioned. I don't know if major differences would call for ++

A better 'working name' would be something like sshttp3, lol. Obviously not the successor to SSH2

asveikau|5 months ago

You mean like cryptocurrency bros naming something "web 3.0"?

teddyh|5 months ago

C.f. “JSON5”.

cozzyd|5 months ago

Secure Hypertext Interactive TTY

_joel|5 months ago

That sounds a bit crap

theandrewbailey|5 months ago

Maybe SSH/3 instead (SSH + HTTP/3)?

throwaway127482|5 months ago

Doesn't /3 mean v3? I mean, for HTTP itself, doesn't the HTTP/3 == HTTPv3? If so, I don't see how this is any better than SSH3 - both SSH3 and SSH/3 read to me like "SSH v3"

techscruggs|5 months ago

I like this idea!

Having SSH in the name helps developers quickly understand the problem domain it improves upon.

nine_k|5 months ago

/* This is one proper bikeshedding thread if I ever saw one. */

dpflan|5 months ago

sshhh ... don't sidetrack the productive comment generation. (also, SSHHH as a possible name)...

formerly_proven|5 months ago

Easy: hhs instead of ssh (since the even more obvious shh is essentially impossible to google). Stands for, idk, HTTP/3 Hardened Shell or something ("host shell"? sounds like windows)

catlifeonmars|5 months ago

hss? Http/3 Secure Shell?

pdmccormick|5 months ago

HTTPSSH.

Why not just SSH/QUIC, what does the HTTP/3 layer add that QUIC doesn’t already have?

arka2147483647|5 months ago

QuickShell - it should be called

gclawes|5 months ago

The ability to use HTTP authentication methods, HTTP headers, etc?

p1mrx|5 months ago

SSHoH

Titan2189|5 months ago

SSHoH3

Pronounced "Shoe"

noman-land|5 months ago

SSHTTP

oofbey|5 months ago

SSHTTP3

zaik|5 months ago

HTTPSS for more confusion

thayne|5 months ago

qrs for Quic Remote Shell?

Or h3s for HTTP 3 Shell?

H3rs for http3 remote shell?

ape4|5 months ago

How about Tortoise Shell - a little joke because its so fast

fsckboy|5 months ago

my autism plays out also in the world of words, i.e. names of things, and my comment here is more a reply to all my surrounding comments than to yours:

ssh is not a shell and ssh is not a terminal, so please everybody stop suggesting name improvements that more deeply embed that confusion.

back in the day, we had actual terminals, and running inside was our shell which was sh. then there was also csh. then there was the idea of "remote" so rsh from your $SHELL would give you a remote $SHELL on another machine. rsh was not a shell, and it was not a terminal. There were a whole bunch of r- prefixed commands, it was a family, and nobody was confused, these tools were not the thing after the r-, these tools were just the r- part.

then it was realized that open protocols were too insecure so all of the r- remote tools became s- secure remote tools.

http is a network protocol that enables other things and gets updated from time to time, and it is not html or css, or javascript; so is ssh a network protocol, and as I said, not a shell and not a terminal.

just try to keep it in mind when thinking of new names for new variants.

and if somebody wants to reply that tcp/ip is actually the network protocol, that's great, more clarification is always good, just don't lose sight of the ball.

unclet|5 months ago

Why not HSH, or HTTPS Shell.

0x6c6f6c|5 months ago

SSH over QUIC

so, maybe SSHoQ or SoQ

soq reads better for the CLI I suppose.

antod|5 months ago

HTTP under SSH, or hussh for short.

manwe150|5 months ago

How about ush then? The predecessor was rsh, and the next letter tsh is already taken

BobbyTables2|5 months ago

ush — “You shell” — Brilliant!

KronisLV|5 months ago

SSH/HTTP/3

That way, when you need to use sed for editing text containing it, your pattern can be more interesting:

  sed 's/SSH\/HTTP\/3/SSH over HTTP\/3/g'

Wicher|5 months ago

try:

  sed 's:SSH/HTTP/3:SSH over HTTP/3:g'

At least with GNU sed, you can use different separators so dodge the need for exscaping. | works as well.

CharlesW|5 months ago

h3sh | hush3 | qs | qsh | shh | shh3

NewJazz|5 months ago

Anything with a 3 in it is a nightmare to type quickly. shh looks like you typo'd ssh.

qsh might be taken by QShell

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qshell

There's a whole github issue where the issue was bike shed to death.

mnsc|5 months ago

SSQ

piannucci|5 months ago

How about rthym or some variation?

guerrilla|5 months ago

Yeah, that's not cool.

nine_k|5 months ago

SSH2/3, maybe?

It's still largely SSH2, but runs on top of HTTP/3.

ok123456|5 months ago

SSH over 3: SO(3). Like the rotation group.

BobbyTables2|5 months ago

RTH3EC is a certainly a mouthful…

e12e|5 months ago

Quickshell/qsh?

moralestapia|5 months ago

Don't use it! Create your own thing and name it however you want.

Non-doers are the bottom rung of the ladder, don't ever forget that :).

literalAardvark|5 months ago

No... They're one rung up from evil and dumb doers.