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animuchan | 5 months ago

This poses a fun dilemma: the belief that Russia deliberately targets civilians (which is likely correct) almost requires us to also believe that the Russian army fields precision weaponry allowing deliberately targeting things (of which the evidence is scarce).

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drysine|5 months ago

>which is likely correct

Why do you think that?

>almost requires us to also believe

That's easy. Russia deliberately targets civilians, but being totally inept, misses and hits different civilians.

>of which the evidence is scarce

Is it?

Have a look at this one, where Russia hit Ukrainian MLRSes in a night strike.[0] Western media reported that as inhuman and savage Russians destroying a shopping mall.[1] The mall indeed suffered but only because the Ukrainians parked MLRSes next to it. Ironically the Ukraine itself provided the evidence of that by distributing video where they talk about the mall but incidentally show destroyed MLRS (the other one got evaporated).[2]

[0] https://t.me/aleksandr_skif/3150

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/06/world/europe/russia-ukrai...

[2] https://t.me/ASupersharij/28133

animuchan|5 months ago

Point taken, thanks!

Re: Russia deliberately targets civilians, but being totally inept, misses and hits different civilians. -- Yep, absolutely, but this is unfalsifiable I guess. I mean, maybe they're targeting hostile aliens from space, but being inept, [...]

Re: Why do you think that? -- I extrapolate from Putin's allies really. Hamas specifically (and very vocally / proudly) targets civilians, Hezbollah targets civilians, Iran and Houthis routinely fire ballistic missiles at residential areas. (I'm only listing things I've actually witnessed, as a noncombatant.)

So intuitively they're all in the same bucket. I'll be happy to be completely wrong about Russia in this regard.