[MaxHoppersGhost]

Strong anti fraud rules (even for massive banks) are a foundational part of a high functioning society.

[malfist]

That remindes me of all those bank executives we jailed over their role in the 2008 financial crisis.

[keeganpoppen]

ah yes, so clearly we must make sure that they are even less enforced. what could go wrong? hell, Enron lost investors-- bunch of billionaire fat cats, the lot of 'em-- $75 billion... they shoulda made Kenneth Lay Chairman of the Fed! or i guess maybe he his net worth had one too many zeroes to be sympathetic... hell, Kawhi Leonhard and his uncle blatantly and deliberately broke all of the NBA salary cap rules in the way that an undercover cop asks everyone they come across if they can buy weed from them, but the Clippers are owned by Steve Ballmer, so it's apparently okay. we hate the player because of the game in everything except for sports lmao.

[komali2]

I'm unconvinced. Banks wield massive political power through their capital, and so get away with highway robbery all the time. 2008 financial crisis comes to mind. It seems to me that the rules are one sided and so it seems this "foundational part" of high functioning society is just guarding the highwaymen with the cityguard, when the swords should be facing the other direction.

[iinnPP]

Could it be that you're not in a high functioning society, rather than the point being invalid?

[palmotea]

> Strong anti fraud rules (even for massive banks) are a foundational part of a high functioning society.

Sometimes it seems we're missing most of the "foundational part[s] of a high functioning society" except the ones that serve elites (which then are so sacred *and must never be questioned).

Eventually people stop caring about the elite's protections, even if that breakdown is ultimately harmful. It's like the murder of that United Healthcare CEO. His company ground down the common man's benefits in a way that probably killed thousands (at least), but we're supposed to cry for him. Betray people long enough, and they're no longer interested in holding up their side of the bargain.

If they want a high functioning society, the elites need to work harder at holding up their end of the bargain.

[jalapenos]

The trick is that you have to do the fraud at institutional scale. E.g. rating junk mortgage bonds as "AAA".

You only get punished if you do it at small scale.

[gmerc]

Alternatively, a golden device to the right ruler also works

[nashashmi]

Those rules need power to enforce. That power lies with the elites. And elites don’t suffer as much as the small person does.

So high functioning be damned. I want a society that has heart.