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throwaway2016a | 5 months ago

I didn't get a sense the article singled out charter schools specifically rather it just lists it as a alternative place that funds get funneled instead of to neighborhood public schools.

Which brings me to:

> The main reason "private" (in their sense of the word) schools are gaining in popularity is precisely because they are seen as delivering a better education by an ever wider chunk of society.

If you accept that the article is talking about charter schools, then yes, perhaps the narrow focus of the charter could allow for a stronger education in a specialized area could allow for better education in that area.

But, if you accept it as private schools as a whole, then I don't buy that argument fully. The administration has been very clear that the motivation is "anti-woke" and "traditional family values" and nothing to do with education quality. In fact, as someone who went to a religious school in a small town (granted 30+ years ago) I can vouch that my education (especially in science and math) was FAR worse than the public schools at the time and homeschooling quality varies wildly.

Edit: As far as

> More specifically the US currently spends more than the vast majority of the world per pupil

I also find this focus on spending per pupil very odd because it doesn't account for cost of living.

And if you dive into the fine print it says:

> Includes both government and private expenditures.

So what if (and this is a completely untested hypothesis) the reason we spend so much per pupil in that chart is being exasperated by the private school system.

Edit 2: after diving into it, that source provided is greatly inflated by private school spending including private colleges (which are insanely expensive). So that same data can also be used to argue the US is really spending too much on private schools not public ones.

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somenameforme|5 months ago

Here [1] are the data on spending per student PPP adjusted. It doesn't really change it much at all. US is 6th in the world in spending per secondary pupil. They seem to lack data for primary, but it's not going to be some radically different story one way or the other. The initial link I gave (where US is 5th in the world) offers a breakdown of various spending - I was referencing the first table - which is elementary/secondary only. Also, religious schools in the US (Catholic at least) also substantially outperform public schools by a range that widens over time. [2]

In any case private schools will always perform better than public schools because they can be selective with who they admit. A handful of very bad students can easily derail the education of an entire class, and in public schools it can be somewhat difficult to get rid of these kids. And so I do think things like education vouchers, tax rebates, and other incentives to allow more middle and lower class families access to private education is a very good thing.

Lastly, on the woke stuff. Would you be happy if your child was taught creationism and intelligent design? Probably not. Why? Because it'd be ideologically motivated, rather than educationally motivated. If people want to teach their children that in their own time - more power to them, but it has no place in the classroom. And I'd feel exactly the same if my children were taught that e.g. math is racist, or the contemporary 'reimaginings' of history that mix critical theory and contemporary values, and retrofit them into the past in an antagonistic fashion. We went from a real problem of white washing history, to just inventing these sordid tales that are even further off base.

[1] - https://databank.worldbank.org/indicator/UIS.XGDP.1.FSGOV?id...

[2] - https://ncea.org/NCEA/NCEA/How_We_Serve/News/Press_Releases/...

throwaway2016a|5 months ago

Thank you on presenting the research. I appreciate that.

To address you points though:

> A handful of very bad students can easily derail the education of an entire class

Private school had plenty of bad apples too. In fact, some kids I went to school with were explicitly there because they were trouble makers and their parents though the nuns would break them (they didn't). In contrast, I've found my daughter's public school to be pretty zero tolerance when it comes to disruptors.

But even if you are right, that is also the strength of public schools. The same thing that makes them unable to turn down the bad apple is also what makes sure kids with special needs or low family means don't get left behind.

> math is racist, or the contemporary 'reimaginings' of history that mix critical theory and contemporary values, and retrofit them into the past in an antagonistic fashion.

Except every time one of those stories come out and you dig deeper it is almost never actually what the media says. It's usually either extremely isolated or taken entirely out of context for sensationalism.

For example, there have been several documented cases of public school teachers teaching creationism, and also that the Civil war wasn't about slavery (despite slavery being specifically mentioned by multiple states when they joined the Confederacy), but I would never represent that as wide spread and try to tear down the whole system over it.