[jcz_nz]

At the very least, these folks need to have their names permanently attached to this atrocity. These weren’t decisions made by “a corporation” - these people sat across a meeting room table and actually concluded that targeting breast cancer patients was an acceptable means to an end.

Lori A. Beer was the CIO at the time. Now at JP Morgan.

[teiferer]

"permanently"

"ever again"

For good reason, modern law systems rarely issue punishments that last a lifetime. People can and do change, and something stupid (and illegal) you did 30 years ago shouldn't be held over your head today. These are rare cases for the absolutely worst crimes. For anything else, you receive a punishment, be it money or months/years in jail, and after that, you deserve a chance to live a life without ongoing punishment. Beyond knowing what you did, and remembering the punishment, which for most people is already a burden heavy enough.

[Xelbair]

Punishment should match the crime, to both rehabilitate and be preventative.

White collar crime gets basically no punishment, and looking at career of those people they usually end up falling upwards.

For such cases banning them from being in a management position for X years would be a nice discouragement.

[Loughla]

That's just false though. For poor people, if you have a conviction, it follows you forever and impacts your life negatively in a multitude of ways.

[Spooky23]

If you commit any number of stupid or criminal acts, you are legally blacklisted from the financial industry for life.

[flir]

Being struck off by professional organisations is a thing, though.

On the one hand I don't want the bar to this discipline raised. On the other hand, I don't want people like us (metaphorically) building bridges that tip every two hundredth car into the river.

[mystraline]

An 18 year old (HS senior) and a 15 year old (HS sophomore) can have sex together and thats a statutory rape charge that will follow you the rest of your life.

And say its 2 17 year olds, and you take nude pictures to send to your partner. Now, having sex is legal here, but a picture? Thats possessing 'child sexual assault imagery'. Nobody would think 17 year olds are 'children'. Even the law routinely charges them as adults.

And getting a felony at all follows you around, unless you can pay the danegeld to have it removed. Of course, staying clean isn't sufficient. Paying $10k or more is.

[lazyasciiart]

In the US it is perfectly normal to impose lifetime penalties for crimes - a felony record can prevent people from voting, housing, employment, and when all those penalties fuck up their life, they are sometimes still barred from receiving welfare. It is only four years since the law changed to allow student loans for people with drug convictions.

And it is absolutely reasonable that a crime committed in the course of your profession could prevent you ever working in that profession again.

[watwut]

Being forced to change the profession is not the same as being in jail forever or being unable employable forever.

> Beyond knowing what you did, and remembering the punishment, which for most people is already a burden heavy enough.

Like, seriously? These people do not feel bad, there is no heavy burden. They are proud of how they earned money, feel like any prosecution is grave injustice and would do it again.

Widely immoral people, whether in politics or business, dont feel sorry for who they are. They made those decisions because there was no moral dilema for them.

[jacquesm]

Sorry, but in this case I think 'lifetime' is very much appropriate. It's not like they're being sent to the electric chair. They were systematically ripping people off on what matters most to a person: their health. There is a good chance people died as a result of this. And since hardly any of these crooks ever goes to jail (but instead they get to do it again somewhere else) having their name out in the open for ever is very much appropriate.

[xbar]

Personal accountability with consequences that make fraud unpalatable means setting a high bar on white collar crime.

If you are saying that twentysomething founders should not be held accountable for the mistakes of their "youth," then you might be inclined hold the investors personally accountable for funding them--similar to parents being liable for their teenagers' driving mishaps.

I am disinclined to believe that Javice and his ilk are very much corrected by the Department of Corrections or later life experiences.

[bill_joy_fanboy]

Well, that's nice that you feel that way. But, you don't get to decide what people "deserve" or what "should" happen.

I happen to disagree. I think these crimes (and many others) should follow you more or less permanently.

My opinions on what "should" be the case have just as much validity as yours.

Please be self aware when you are making baseless moral claims.

[andrepd]

It's a bit disingenuous to argue "they shouldn't get life without the possibility of parole" when in fact most of this economic white-collar crime goes completely unpunished, or at best gets a fine targeted at the company and never at the individual people who committed the crimes.

[f1shy]

I think this have to ve public Information, giving the right to decide to the next employer. You may employ them, other people may not. I would at least ask some questions.

[whatshisface]

You can't count the years you evaded law enforcement as time served during the sentencing process.

[globnomulous]

Sanctimonious nonsense. The are plenty of kinds of crimes for which "modern law systems" commonly, and rightly, impose 'lifetime' penalties or restrictions. Restraining orders are a simple example. And C-suite assholes who commit fraud are rightly, and not rarely, barred from ever leading another company.

[iwontberude]

Yeah no, sociopathy isn’t something that ever goes away after someone becomes her age.

[1718627440]

That's true. We judge people to be guilty and then they get a punishment. But after the punishment they have payed back their guilt and are now not guilty anymore, that's kind of the deal.

[furyofantares]

> These are rare cases for the absolutely worst crimes.

If "targeting insurance policies of women with breast cancer for cancellation, using any pretext" is accurate - I'm curious how that compares to the absolutely worst crimes to you.

[testing22321]

Na, just ban all of them and all their families from ever having health insurance again so they can suffer the same fate they doomed others too intentionally . Make an example and all that.

[ghssds]

It's counter-productive to punish someone for something out of their control. One should not be punished for his parents', siblings' or childs' actions.

[nurettin]

CIOs simply manage the IT budget and technology to be used. They don't necessarily have to be present for company policy planning.

[ChrisMarshallNY]

Same thing happened to patients with AIDS, in the 1990s. It was disgusting. May still be going on.

People don't really care about drug addicts and gay folks, though (there's a fairly significant number of folks that think they "deserve" it), so it didn't get as much attention.