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maremmano | 4 months ago

OVH is just as reliable as Hetzner, and right now they have a much cheaper offer: https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/configurator/?planCode=vps-2025-...

Aside from that, which distro would you choose for Coolify? I’m debating between Ubuntu 24.04 and Debian 13.

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ksec|4 months ago

OH Wow.

OVH VPS - 24 vCPU, ( or Threads ) 96GB RAM for $53.40/month.

Hetzner VPS [1] - 16vCPU, 32GB, $54.90/month

DO Droplet - General Compute, Regular CPU, 16 vCPU 64GB RAM, $504/month.

Linode - 20 vCPU, 96GB RAM, $576/month

Upcloud - 24 vCPU, 96GB RAM, $576/month

I dont know what CPU OVH is using, because all the others are AMD EPYC or Newer Intel Xeon. But the pricing difference is too great that even if they were Intel E-Core CPU it would still be pretty damn good deal.

[1] There is a cheaper option from Intel vCPU, but those hardware are older and is only available when other customers cancel their plan to free up slot. So only the newer AMD option is used for comparison.

mips_avatar|4 months ago

Shame OVH has no availability in North America (except Canada)

bluedino|4 months ago

Why not get a dedicated server from OVH\Hetzner at that point?

mat_epice|4 months ago

My only issue with OVH is that they wouldn't let me rent a VPS ($30/month?) without sending a copy of my government identification. I'm not willing to distribute copies of that without a good reason, so I ended up paying more elsewhere.

theshrike79|4 months ago

Cheap hosters have problems with people not paying or using the hosting for borderline illegal stuff. Asking ID is a good way to deter that. Not perfect.

iMerNibor|4 months ago

Hetzner cloud servers perform a lot better than ovh vps from my (limited) experience, ymmv though. (happy customer of both)

esskay|4 months ago

I've had the same experience. Hetzners ARM VPS servers have been noticeably better than even their own AMD and Intel (The Intel ones are awful and clearly running on old customer hardware).

taminka|4 months ago

how are ovh and hetzner like an order of magnitude cheaper than everyone else? maybe w/ a lot of sharing for VPSs it's understandable, but they also sell dedicated for super cheap...

is it a honeypot? also did ovh change prices recently? I remember checking a couple years ago and it was more expensive vs hetzner

usrusr|4 months ago

Don't know about OVH (it might be a very similar story?) but Hetzner is from my region and I've known the brand since back in the 1990ies. The difference to most (all?) large American hosting services is that they never went through some big investment scale-up of the type "spend now to earn later" where costs just don't matter as long as there is some growth to handwave it away, but have come to where they are now through continuous bootstrapping. The same applies to hundreds of much smaller hosters, but few (none?) reach anywhere close to Hetzner's economy of scale.

wiether|4 months ago

I can't talk about Hetzner, but re OVH, they are absolutely not a honeypot.

Most of the SMEs in France are customers.

They are cheap because they do most things in-house, with a lot a recycling, because their DCs are mostly located in low-cost places (real estate, rents, salaries...) and because they go for low margins.

esskay|4 months ago

Hetzner has a very bespoke setup. Their DC's mostly run on their own renewable power sources and have been refined to the limit, combined with recycling hardware for longer periods, not using server chassis or off the shelf components, and a highly bespoke racking setup and it makes for mass scale at a very low cost.

OVH has a similar setup but is way more diversified into other product lines. I'd personally never touch them after the fire that they never bothered to explain to those of us affected by it. With the amount of downtime they had there it made it very clear that their ability to recover a situation - any situation is crap.

dan15|4 months ago

There's many providers that have similar pricing, sometimes as their normal day-to-day pricing, and sometimes as sale pricing just for events like Black Friday. I've been happy with HostHatch, GreenCloudVPS ("Budget KVM" like), and RackNerd. RackNerd always have a sale running. GreenCloudVPS often have stock for their cheap ones (starting at $15/year). HostHatch has decent regular pricing (they're trying to compete with Hetzner), but their sale pricing is especially good.

ksec|4 months ago

Not using Server Grade Hardware. Although one could argue Server Grade Hardware are not worth the premium, that is up to its customer to decide i.e Ryzen vs EPYC. ECC Memory, Server Grade SSD, Power Supply, etc. If you look at their dedicated they aren't really super cheap, there are plenty of other dedicated server out there that goes for similar pricing. The difference is that those companies only offer dedicated options and dont provide the range of VPS OVH and Hetzner offers.

Custom Hardware, down to the DC design, rack, water cooling and economy of scale. There are reasons why some Datacenter are more expensive than others. And the fire at previous OVH DC shows why. Although I remember OVH did explain they dont use that design anywhere else. Doing Custom hardware part like water cooling with Racks isn't the rocket science part, doing it great while doing it at cost efficiency is the most difficult part.

Network quality. OVH owns its own Network. Layering Cables across its own DC along with other exchanges. It used to be slower but this has become less of an issue in 2025. But in the old days the difference between premium network connected and other commodity partners from DC makes a lot of difference. ( It still does but less of an concern )

Minimal Support - Although that is not a concern anymore in 2025 because everyone got used to Cloud computing that has zero support most of the time.

Expectation of Low Margin. I think both Hetzer and OVH have accepted the fact they are in computing commodity business with low margin and aim for volume. While most US business will always try to improve their margin and venture into SaaS or other managed services. Which means both Hetzer and OVH are also the expert in squeezing penny out of everything. As someone who used to work in commodity business I have a lot of respect for these people as they are harder than most people think.

Again, these are things on top of my head when I was keeping an eye on VPS. I just checked LowEndBox ( https://lowendbox.com ) is still alive and well after almost 20 years! Before cloud computing was a thing or went mainstream there were plenty of low cost low end VPS options like OVH and Hetzner. So this isn't exactly new, they just happened to have grown into current size.

pil0u|4 months ago

Yes, OVH changed their VPS offer and pricing around this summer. They just became very competitive, on top of leading the way in making their data centers (really) carbon-neutral.

nvlled|4 months ago

I just found out that ovh has their own ".ovh" TLD, that sounds pretty legit.

zelphirkalt|4 months ago

I know for example IONOS, one of the shittiest providers ever, is simply 10x as expensive as Hetzner. My guess is, that they think their marketing makes up for their bad support and that their certifications are worth anything.

mzhaase|4 months ago

Its important to note that all these CPUs are likely shared. And they don't tell you how much.

Hetzner has two servers with the same amount of cores but one only costs half as much. They don't say this anywhere but if you test the performance you indeed only get half as much on the cheaper server.

port11|4 months ago

OVH was not great for me at the previous startup. The virtual network card in an API server would detach every night at somewhat unpredictable times.

OVH support response times were atrocious, multiple days of waiting until weeks later it was escalated.

They never figured it out, just suggested spinning a new server. By that point I had already migrated, but it was a bit scary since it was my first time managing infrastructure.

Just anecdata :) maybe buy a support plan if they have it.

matt-p|4 months ago

Would you not want a server that's nearer to you? For example looking on serversearcher.com 4GB/2cpu is ~$70-80/year from e.g clouvider and you get to chose from like 7 US cities.

TiredOfLife|4 months ago

Those seem to be new (about 2 month old) plans. Before they were about the same price as hetzner.

Geekbench 6 single core score on these is about 900-1100.

chpatrick|4 months ago

Except when their datacenter burns down...

__jonas|4 months ago

How is that different than Hetzner for a VPS though? As far as I'm aware a Hetzner VPS won't automatically fail over to a different region either.

nsndndkddk|4 months ago

Not a real issue if you design for HA. E.g. servers are in different AZ. Replica storage etc.

CraigJPerry|4 months ago

that's quite the deal. i casually clicked through expecting not much... i was wrong!