[zeroc8]

Java's biggest problem is the fact that mutability is so baked into the language. I'm working on a project now where I always need to dig deep to find out if something has been mutated or not. Yes, there are records and we are now getting into data oriented programming. But older codebases are really hard to read.

[GreenWatermelon]

Java also has (In my experience) a higher concentration of inept developers who seem to have never heard of guard conditiona and early returns, and prefer instead to wrap everything in if conditions, pushing the actual logic into deeper nesting levels. Pyramids of doom all over.

[morshu9001]

Yeah but there are way more inept devs using JS, and I still have an easy time understanding JS codebases. Java seems to encourage overabstraction and weird frameworks.

[morshu9001]

One of the classic problems with OOP

[zeroc8]

One of the biggest mistake we've made as an industry. The good thing is that the worst days are over. The whole design pattern craze was pretty annoying, to say the least.