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Effect of the inflows of immigrants on European workers’ careers (2013) [pdf]

14 points| pupperino | 4 months ago |globalmigration.ucdavis.edu

15 comments

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throwA29B|4 months ago

>period of 1995-2001

That time basically only some intro-European migrations happened: Germans repatriating from the recently dissolved USSR, other Europeans moving back and forth, maybe some refugees from the Balkans.

Interesting stuff started happening much, much later.

Also what with this line spacing? It renders the paper nigh unreadable!

aoki|4 months ago

Once upon a time, editors requested submissions in single-column, double-spaced form because they (or the in-house writers) would actually mark on the printed-out paper. Mysterious glyphs, squiggly arrows, and indecipherable handwritten text would be inscribed between the lines in red ink. Many journal preprints from that era are double-spaced.

Even more mysterious are the arcane notations such as “TABLE 1 ABOUT HERE” with the actual table/figure contents placed at the end of the paper. Understandable when authors provided hardcopy figures for photoreproduction, baffling when the entire submission was generated with LaTeX or Word.

readthenotes1|4 months ago

So not only nigh not worth reading...

Theodores|4 months ago

TL;DR

Immigrants arrive, natives move up the food chain to better jobs rather than becoming unemployed.

Because it is a published paper and therefore sciencey, your anecdotes count for nothing.

pupperino|4 months ago

Well, let's try to take a step back and approach this sort of stuff with a more scientific, less politically hysterical way. Models are simply mathematical fiction, useful in as much as they constrain our thinking and remove wordplay from it. They're ways of imposing some discipline on our thinking. When a paper pours over the data, makes the case for an identification strategy and its associated causality graph, and estimates some parameters, these are not Objective Truth. You get this, obviously, amazing. Ok, so, are they? Samples from a high-dimensionality probability distribution encoding the "real" parameters for the effects of immigration on any desired outcome.

So maybe try to consider this yet another data point. A paper estimating a certain effect size in a certain context shouldn't flip your entire mental model of a certain phenomenon, but it's also totally irrational to handwave away empirical results that don't match your intuition.

coolThingsFirst|4 months ago

I am curious about this, are there other studies done that suggest the opposite?

geodel|4 months ago

2013.

Not sure it is still happening in 2025 judging by the reactions of natives lately.