[b34k3r]

"We must negate the machines-that-think. Humans must set their own guidelines. This is not something machines can do. Reasoning depends upon programming, not on hardware, and we are the ultimate program! Our Jihad is a "dump program." We dump the things which destroy us as humans!".

I know, Dune and yeah, i get it - science fiction aint real life - but im still into these vibes.

Anyone wanna start a club?

[0xEF]

"Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in hopes that this would set them free, but that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

Yeah, I'm in. Let me know when and where the meetings are held.

[fragmede]

We're on Salusa Secundus, second pylon to the right, just off the Imperial Penal Complex. 6pm, Wednesday. Use the green parrot to enter, otherwise you'll be cast out. We don't want to let anybody from IX in.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> other men with machines to enslave them

The machines didn't enslave anyone in this scenario. "Men with machines" did. I think of the techbro oligarchs who decide what a feed algorithm shows.

[Barrin92]

>We must negate the machines-that-think

I wish we had machines that actually thought because they'd at least put an end to whatever this is. In the words of Schopenhauer, this is the worst of all possible worlds not because it couldn't be worse but because if it was a little bit worse it'd at least cease to exist. It's just bad enough so that we're stuck with the same dreck forever. This isn't the Dune future but the Wall-E future. The problem with the Terminator franchise and all those Eliezer Yudkowsky folks is that they are too optimistic.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NdN153giLdI/sddefault.jpg

[measurablefunc]

Technocracy is ascendant, the only question is whether you subscribe to the optimistic or pessimistic variant. But don't worry, the current state of affairs is a fluke & equilibrium will be restored once all the easily combustible sources of fossil fuels are exhausted.

[jMyles]

I'm not sure that this message is meant to be taken as viable, let alone sacrosanct.

<spoiler>

I interpreted Thufir Hawat's massive misunderstanding of Lady Jessica's motivation (which was a huge plot point in the book but sadly didn't make it into the films) as evidence that the conclusion that humans are capable of the exact same undesirable patterns as machines.

Did I read that wrong?

</spoiler>

[zehaeva]

The point of Dune, or the Butlerian Jihad within Dune, isn't that Humans are more capable than the Thinking Machines. It is that Humans should be the author of their own destiny, that and the Thinking Machines were enslaving humanity and going to exterminate them. Just like how the Imperium was enslaving all of humanity and was going to lead to the extinction of humanity. This was seen, incompletely, by Paul and later, completely, by Leto II who then spent 10,000 years working through a plan to allow humanity to escape extinction and enslavement.

Dune's a wild ride man!

[Modified3019]

I had never made that exact connection, but my impression of the Dune universe was that it was hopelessly dark and horrific, basically humans being relentlessly awful to each other with no way out.

[Terr_]

Well, I've been surrounded by "machines that think" for my entire life, formed of unfathomably complex swarms of nanobots. So far we seem to get along.

If there were a new kind of "machines that think"--and they aren't a dangerous predator--they could be a contrast to help us understand ourselves and be better.

The danger from these (dumber) machines is that they may be used for reflecting, laundering, and amplifying our own worst impulses and confusions.

[hhjinks]

Another human being doesn't scare me, because they will think like a human, consider themselves human, and relate to humans.

A thinking machine is a total unknown. If human intelligence and machine intelligence are not aligned, then what?

[beeflet]

There is a new kind of machine in the works that converts your grey matter into grey goo

[baobun]

> unfathomably complex swarms of nanobots

???

[zer00eyz]

> Anyone wanna start a club?

You would not be the first, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Funny thing is that we still have hand made fabric today, and were still employing a frighting number of people in the manufacturing of clothing. The issue is that we're making more lower quality products rather than higher quality items.

[viraptor]

Ted Kaczynski went that way, but was more of a lone wolf guy.

[wartywhoa23]

Count me in!

[bluefirebrand]

Yes, I am in

I will never bow before the machine god