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kokanee | 4 months ago

You might not like the tone, but I don't see what makes the words false. "Paramilitary" describes a non-military group behaving similarly to a military group, and we're talking about armed masked men sweeping homes, taking prisoners, and engaging in violent conflicts. "Operating illegally" means that federal, state, or local laws have been broken, and that seems to be the case, e.g. Gonzalez v. ICE.

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theultdev|4 months ago

Federal law supersedes state law.

ICE is simply enforcing federal immigration laws.

JumpCrisscross|4 months ago

> Federal law supersedes state law

It does. That doesn’t mean federal agents supersede state law.

California restricted civil arrests at its courts [1]. The Congress can pass a law superseding this. What ICE can’t unilaterally do, legally, is ignore it. They have, the same as they’ve ignored federal court orders.

[1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

nulbyte|4 months ago

I don't know why this was flagged. It may be wrong, but I think it worth discussing to correct.

Not all of Federal law supersedes state law. The Tenth Amendment clarifies:

> The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

If it's not given to the federal government to regulate, the federal government can't regulate it.

nielsbot|4 months ago

Do you agree enforcing immigration laws in this way is good and/or important? If so, can I ask why? What is our end goal?

JumpCrisscross|4 months ago

> ICE is simply enforcing federal immigration laws

“From January to June, the average number of detainees per day in ICE custody rose 43 percent, to more than 57,000. But since July, when the [OBBA] funding was approved, the detainee population has increased only about 5 percent, to roughly 60,000, the latest statistics show.

The stream of social-media clips showing masked federal agents kicking down doors, raiding Home Depot parking lots, and pulling people from their car have kept up the appearance of an ever-expanding campaign. ICE’s own data show that the agency’s buildup stalled over the summer” [1].

Meanwhile, with first-year deportations around 400,000 [2], they stand to match what Obama did in 2012 [3], despite spending $40 to 70bn, or 10 to 15x, more [4][5].

Instead of enforcing our immigration laws, ICE is involved in domestic policing, partisan intimidation and the illegal detention of American citizens.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/10/ice-imm...

[2] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/09/23/new-milestone-over-2-mil...

[3] https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20200109/110349/HHRG...

[4] https://www.ice.gov/factsheets/budget2012 $5.8bn, FY2012, $8.2bn CPI adjusted to ‘25

[5] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-budget-big-beautiful-b... $45 to 75 billion under OBBBA

lenerdenator|4 months ago

They're enforcing the law in profoundly illegal ways.