[thinkingkong]

The argument made here seems to be that the power to prevent unlawful access or threats is somehow required to keep us all safe. But if someone was an actual threat, do we really think they’d be using the internet with their own identity? Like if someone is willing to hack into a power station or some other critical infrastructure, they’ll be simultaneously stupid enough to use their own credit card?

Illegal things are already illegal. Safety and security mechanisms already exist. We dont need additional, punitive, and opaque laws that can be abused.

[themafia]

Politicians seem to enjoy corruption. It benefits them directly.

They really do hate anyone who points out their hypocrisy or makes fun of them. It challenges their corrupt kickbacks directly.

I think it's easy to make a prediction of actual use cases here.

[KurSix]

Yeah, it's hard not to be cynical when the tools they keep pushing for always seem ripe for political abuse rather than legitimate threats

[ekianjo]

> Politicians seem to enjoy corruption

You can remove the "seem". They go specifically into that line of business to benefit from juicy corruption.

[pavel_lishin]

Is this even corruption? Who's getting kickbacks here? It sounds like they're just incompetent, and brainstorming stupid ideas and writing a law around whatever sticks to the wall.

[verisimi]

Yes, illegal things are already illegal. But, if you alter the law, you can create new areas to monetise or ways to extract private information from legally minded citizens. In other words, these laws are nothing to do with preventing illegality, they are about control. They are co-ordinated across different legal jurisdictions too.

[osigurdson]

It's always like this. Bad guys, unless extremely dumb, will come up with workarounds. So, it ends up just being a war on law abiding citizens.

[kQq9oHeAz6wLLS]

This argument is often unsuccessfully used in other areas; gun rights jumps to mind.

Often the new laws only affect those who are already following the laws. Those who are willing to break the laws will ignore and/or find ways around them (see: Chicago, DC, etc).

[thinkingkong]

Agree that its not the most effective. What would you suggest? What works better?

[tastyfreeze]

The Leviathan cannot be controlled. It hungers for power and control. People in positions of power are deceived into thinking that if they just had a little more power they could fix so many things. The Leviathan grows. The people are crushed.

Our desire for power feeds the Leviathan. To prevent this power must be diffuse.

[bawolff]

I get the impression a lot of this is not just people but companies. So in theory the order might be - don't use any huawei routers, we think they have backdoors, etc.

(Just to be clear, i agree this law is way too broad)

[KurSix]

And I think that's not how rule of law is supposed to work in a democracy