[hsjsjdnbdbdb]

Sounds like you don't argue hard enough

[willis936]

Having seen this story happen: sometimes a "leader" would rather their entire team quit than admit a mistake.

[eecc]

Hey, in my case I've been kicked out a couple times already... it doesn't always pay

[lazide]

Bosses often fire people who ‘argue hard enough’.

[7bit]

It's not his position to argue hard. That's what the product owner or manager is paid for.

[jacquesm]

That seems to be a rather short-of-support conclusion based on the evidence available.

[hsjsjdnbdbdb]

The evidence is based on what was given. If the parent cannot convince the team/management then there is something wrong.

It could be confidence.

It could be social standing.

It could be that they are not explaining their viewpoint properly to the stake holders.

If the parent is not gaining traction and blaming it on intelligence, likely, the parent can't see others viewpoints either and is not trying to bring the team along...

Engineering is not just systems...

[anal_reactor]

Eh. I'm out of fucks to give.

[BLKNSLVR]

I've been at a couple of places where I've had similar experiences and I get to the point where I'll explain it once, and if they're not listening or discard the suggestion without really considering it, then I'll just wait for them to figure it out themselves.

I get paid either way.

I'm generally looking for another job when it gets to this point. It's not healthy to stick around when things get to that point.