So Trump promised F-35s to Qatar and Turkey and they managed to strong arm hamas into releasing the hostages. But the rest of agreement will not happen.
Basically no one in Israel believes in that, NO ONE. For Hamas it's too sweet of a deal to trap Israel again into bombing campaigns since its power comes from deaths of its own people ( specially on the international stage) and also the coming elections in Israel, Netanyahu will need to show that Hamas is going to be eradicated (and with hostages back, the "left" will not have any problems with that).
I am cautiously optimistic. But also curious what this community thinks about Trump‘s role. If this progresses, does he deserve a Nobel peace prize for it? Or is it more that other nations in the region applied pressure for Hamas to accept a deal?
Being the figurative 800-pound gorilla in the room, it seems to me that he was indeed able to put sufficient pressure on both sides to get them to agree. Obviously it's still too early to know if it will last, but if it does, and if he can then somehow put pressure to get actual normalization between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, then I would personally chip in to get him the Nobel.
He doesn't really deserve it, but honestly, the Peace Prize has such a checkered history that "deserve" really isn't relevant. It's the "obvious" compromise, one they should have reached years ago, and he's the main thing that changed in that time. So let's chalk the win up to him.
I doubt he'll get it. The committee really hates being pestered this way. They can't give it this year, and a year from now this is going to be largely forgotten. The Peace Prize is intended to be for lasting accomplishments, not for a ceasefire.
But I want to give credit where it's due. Both sides hate this compromise -- Israelis are livid about releasing 2,000 prisoners, at least some of whom are mass murderers, in exchange for 20 innocent people who should never have been involved. That was a hard thing to achieve.
So, to demonstrate that I'm willing to say something nice about somebody who will never, ever say anything nice about me: sure, give the man a prize.
Sure, only if he brought peace (unity) to the only country he is suppose to be leading; instead of his violent, misrepresentative comments and actions towards Americans and American cities that didn't vote for him. Heal the wounds he caused, condoned and encouraged. Stop dividing the US. Stop the hate towards out-group Americans. Actually care about and be a leader for America First. All of America/ns.
What a cruel joke. Trump's role in negotiations was to threaten to fully back Israel's genocide of Palestinians if Hamas were to refuse the deal. The actual 'peace plan' also doesn't have any credible roadmap to a Palestinian state or anything that ensures a life of dignity,security and self-determination for the Palestinian people. In fact, it is framed to ensure the opposite. Trump deserves a trial in the Hague, not a Nobel.
Knowing the Israelis and their history (both recent and otherwise), There is a good chance that this will be a repeat of the charade that was Trump's first ceasefire in January. Like then, Israel will probably wait to get all the hostages it can during phase one and then promptly resume their war on Palestine while blaming khamas for scuttling the deal. Their finance minister Smotrich has already spoken to that effect :
“Immediately after the hostages return home, the state of Israel will continue to strive with all its might for the true eradication of Hamas and the genuine disarmament of Gaza, so that it no longer poses a threat to Israel,”
Netanyahu has also made it quite clear (in Hebrew) that he has no intention of following through on the deal - of leaving the gaza, west bank, of allowing Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to rule or any possibility of a future Palestinian state. And the 'peace deal' that was co-written by Netanyahu during his recent visit with Trump at the white house is also framed to ensure the same outcome. The choice facing the Palestinians is genocide, ethnic cleansing or continued imprisonment in the most moral concentration camp in the world. Meanwhile Netanyahu who is facing postponed elections , a postponed October-7 investigation, postponed corruption trial and postponed jail-time has every incentive in the world to keep the war going or start a new one in Iran, Lebanon, Syria or Yemen. And he will likely drag the United states into it all because Netanyahu owns Trump and the republicans.
Thank god. Finally an end (for now) to the bloodshed. Hopefully an opportunity to take that psycho Netanyahu out of office (and to the Hague, where he should rot)
raincole|4 months ago
igravious|4 months ago
ukblewis|4 months ago
ukblewis|4 months ago
tguvot|4 months ago
ebbi|4 months ago
myth_drannon|4 months ago
So Trump promised F-35s to Qatar and Turkey and they managed to strong arm hamas into releasing the hostages. But the rest of agreement will not happen. Basically no one in Israel believes in that, NO ONE. For Hamas it's too sweet of a deal to trap Israel again into bombing campaigns since its power comes from deaths of its own people ( specially on the international stage) and also the coming elections in Israel, Netanyahu will need to show that Hamas is going to be eradicated (and with hostages back, the "left" will not have any problems with that).
raxxorraxor|4 months ago
The reality is that Israel always extended a hand which Palestinians or their representatives more or less cut off immediately.
lschueller|4 months ago
igravious|4 months ago
SilverElfin|4 months ago
falcor84|4 months ago
jfengel|4 months ago
He doesn't really deserve it, but honestly, the Peace Prize has such a checkered history that "deserve" really isn't relevant. It's the "obvious" compromise, one they should have reached years ago, and he's the main thing that changed in that time. So let's chalk the win up to him.
I doubt he'll get it. The committee really hates being pestered this way. They can't give it this year, and a year from now this is going to be largely forgotten. The Peace Prize is intended to be for lasting accomplishments, not for a ceasefire.
But I want to give credit where it's due. Both sides hate this compromise -- Israelis are livid about releasing 2,000 prisoners, at least some of whom are mass murderers, in exchange for 20 innocent people who should never have been involved. That was a hard thing to achieve.
So, to demonstrate that I'm willing to say something nice about somebody who will never, ever say anything nice about me: sure, give the man a prize.
1659447091|4 months ago
volleyball|4 months ago
volleyball|4 months ago
[1] - https://aje.io/kfptet?update=4020328 [2] - https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1972844833094983790 https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/1972844833094983790
raxxorraxor|4 months ago
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tguvot|4 months ago
Pretty sure that second coming is more likely than Bibi been tried for anything in Hague