[palmfacehn]

Specifically, it feels like the lack of discernment goes off the rails and falls into the chasm of derangement where people assume that their opponents do not have that common goal. Anti-natalists and population control advocates excluded, most of us do share that goal. The differences are in the proposed approaches.

There are legitimate discussions which can be had about those approaches to achieving that common goal. The discussion is no longer in good faith where partisans deny that common goal or assume evil intent.

[spencerflem]

There is no way to look at what the republicans have been doing and conclude that they are trying to improve everyone’s well being.

[palmfacehn]

That is a good example of a bad faith presupposition. It assumes intent. You may passionately believe this and it may even be a popular view here at HN. However, it isn't a starting point for a dialogue.

[anon291]

Oh please. Democrats opened the field to Republicans with their anti police rhetoric (and Republicans are now in the process of self destruction by being anti everyone but their preferred democratic). Polls show most people are pro police. I live in a liberal neighborhood of Portland and if you actually talked to Democrat voters, you'd know they actually want police.

Again, get offline. These extreme positions that have taken over both parties are the result of listening to twitter. Seriously that website is toxic. It causes fear and anxiety and governance by fear is terrible. Online democrats / left leaners seem to fear law enforcement. Meanwhile online Republicans / right leaners seem to fear everyone not exactly like them.

What ends up happening is that the political class ends up fielding candidates that are extreme since the online political class has disproportionate influence over that, and then normal people have to choose the best of two awful candidates.

No one can seriously say last election was a competition between America's best.

[anon291]

There is something particular to the twitter style of website that is toxic. I tried twitter for a month or two and my mental health fell apart. Back to reddit and hn and my life feels better. They are also less addicting. The segregation into interest specific communities helps you context switch.

[weregiraffe]

What about the millions of, for example, Muslims, who have a very particular idea of what "prosperity" means? Especially for your female children.

[woooooo]

Do fundamentalist Muslims have a realistic chance of imposing those views on your nation? Because, if not, you Fell For It Again.

(Aside, every western Muslim I've personally met has been chill)

[tankenmate]

And the fundamentalist Christians who advocate that women should "Keep Sweet"? Ever wondered where fundie baby voice comes from?

I suspect if you look at it a bit longer you'll see that the issue isn't "Muslim", the issue is "fundamentalism".

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."