[zpeti]

Cruelty is your perceived behaviour of people on the other side sticking up for their values.

I can both argue that it’s cruel to not have housing for everyone,

while also arguing it’s cruel to tax away 40-50% of an entire country’s productivity (people’s actual work) to pay for houses for people who have never worked or paid taxes in their life.

Who’s right? Who’s cruel? Both sides and both. This is why I find this cruelty argument so bad.

[Nasrudith]

Those values all come from straight up your ass. Both the numbers and the idea that the other side has any values to stick up for other than cruelty. They operate in bad faith consistently and are more than happy to pay for far things more expensive than just housing if it leads to more suffering. ICE isn't cheap you goddamned evil hypocrites.

[spencerflem]

If your values allow for what ICE is doing, your values suck and I don’t like you

[Muromec]

But if my values allow it, thats just isolated incidents in the execution of otherwise very nicel policy